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and now your host of california mufon

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radio

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welcome everyone to the california mufon

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radio show i'm your host lorian fenton

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gosh i'm glad you guys are all with me

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here tonight i've got a great guest for

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you it's my good friend jim ledwith he

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is also known as ufo gym and he's got

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some extraordinary new stuff to talk to

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you guys about especially roswell i

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think we're going to talk a little bit

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about roswell tonight we're talking

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about hollywood and ufos we're just

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going to talk about all kinds of things

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that jim knows about he's also done some

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research into the moon there's all kinds

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of things that jim has done and we're

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just going to touch upon them all this

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evening so i just want to guys get brace

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for that one it's going to be a great

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show tonight and then you know besides

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all that you guys um i want to thank uh

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the couple of people last week who

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donated some money to help me get to the

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mufon symposium

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um i really do appreciate it but uh you

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guys i'm falling way short and i'm

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getting a little concerned because

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um what's happened at this point is i

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did pay 300 for that table

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and uh it's uh

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i know people are going why did you even

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do that well there's a reason i did it

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folks

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and it has to do with

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my

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non-position in mufon let's just put it

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that way um i do very often not very

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often but seldom you know every once in

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a while i talked to jan harzon and

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i'm trying to

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i'm just trying my best right now

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to keep mufon in good hope good light

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and good love because i really think

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mufon has been around forever and my

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hope for them

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through all the debacles and battles and

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craziness that has been going on with

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mufon in the last six months that i

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really do hope they come out of it

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at the other side bigger stronger and

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better than what they were before and

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having said that i have had some

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conversations with jan about the fact

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that you know i really feel

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that we need more female presence

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within the mufon hierarchy structure

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i think i make a big difference

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i don't think the women are quite as

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much ego driven as the men sorry to say

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guys but i absolutely believe that after

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meeting all the people

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that um

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run the move on board and they're on the

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directors there's a few that aren't like

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i can tell you right now i can i'm going

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to name one guy that i know is truly not

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ego driven about the whole thing and

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that's dave mcdonald he's absolutely an

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amazing guy he's wonderful he is the

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person that gave me the green light to

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do this show so i'm very happy that i

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have uh him at my back and i just think

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he's a great guy and he does amazing

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research um uh

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george filer he's kind of i don't know

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how high up in the food chain he is but

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he's an amazing guy too i mean there's

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some really amazing guys that do the

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work and it's not about the ego and i'm

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not going to mention the ones i believe

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they're ego driven but i can tell you

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if we replaced those certain guys

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there's not many of them but if we

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replace those certain guys

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would have a much more balanced mufon

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hierarchy structure having said that um

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you know jan has been doing his best

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to get new state directors throughout

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the united states and he has done so by

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getting a whole bunch of women to come

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forward to to fill those positions so

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i'm hoping that by these women being our

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state directors that you know things

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chaotic that's the only way i can

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describe it because i think there's a

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lot of posturing going on and that's

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just my opinion folks hey i don't know

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and like i said mufon will survive all

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this it it always does

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and i think jan harzon truly is probably

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the right guy to be leading it through

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the the problems we're having because

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that mufon will survive in the end too

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so and i get that you know and so that's

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why i am not throwing mufon out like

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everybody else i know has pretty much

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thrown them away and i get that i i

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probably should have made a stance and

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thrown them away myself but

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the problem i've got is i i truly

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believe in the cause of mufon and in

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spite of some of you know the burps the

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missteps the the

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the bigelow scandals the you know i mean

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all the stuff that's happened i still

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love mufon because they're the last man

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standing when it comes to an

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organization that truly is trying to do

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some good work now uh as many of you

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know i'm always the first one to say um

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you never know who's behind the curtain

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you know it could be an alphabet agency

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you never know but hey there is an

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alphabet agency behind every

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organization that makes it as far as

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mufon has made it i mean nycap was i

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mean all of them had

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their their issues so you know just

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remember that folks when you start hey

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you never know you don't be part of an

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organization that has that going on well

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hey who knows and and and who cares you

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know that's my opinion all my friends

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are like oh what if the cia is getting

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all the information what if the

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government's getting like who cares

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they're getting it anyhow i mean you

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guys have you all forgotten we have a

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secret space program that they're

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running and we have underground bases

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where they terrorize poor contactees and

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and all this stuff's going on do you

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that mufon really matters that much to

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them

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they're way

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beyond what mufon is actually gotten to

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so you know i i think it's actually a

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little more paranoia going on in the

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community about the whole thing so

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you know like i said i'm going to stick

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it out with mufon we'll see what happens

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um and the reason i got my table and

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paid for it was because i am going to be

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doing a little a little political

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posturing

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and i think it's it's time that some of

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it gets done and you know and hopefully

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jan will pat me on the back for it you

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know when it's all said and done

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i you never know he may want to give me

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a swift kick in in the behind but you

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know i'll leave it up to him to decide

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i'm going to try to what i'm really

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mufon symposium is i'm going to try to

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get some women

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to get together and propose

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some kind of women's organization within

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be the leaders it certainly isn't going

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to be me because uh i just don't have

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the time but i have a few women that are

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already higher up in the food chain at

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mufon than i am

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you know they're well respected in the

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community and i'm going to approach them

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and see if they'll help out and you know

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you never know guys we might be able to

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get some kind of feminine energy going

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on at mufon so i think it'd be really

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cool so that's what i'm doing there and

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that's why i'm going and that's what

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this is all about so i just want to let

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you guys know you know i'm really open

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i'm very honest about what i do with

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mufon and what i don't do is move on and

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you know the whole bit i want you guys

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all to know exactly i like i said i love

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and i want to see them succeed and i'm

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going to try my best to help them out at

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the conference this year so that's why

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i'm going that's exactly why i paid 300

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i don't have to have a table there and

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do my thing

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so i would like to beseech you if i

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could like i said last week if anybody

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has a spare 20 25 bucks or anything that

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would really help me out

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and here's why

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i went and spent uh my cat food money

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and my food money this month on that

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table so um

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so if you guys wouldn't mind you know if

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i just get

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if i get a hundred bucks at least the

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cats will be fed and the kitty litter

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will be changed

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that's all i care about at this point i

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don't need to eat i'm like a camel i got

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plenty of blubber on me or like a whale

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i got blubber and i got the humps like

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the camels and i'm i'll be fine i can

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survive anything i could probably go a

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month without food or water and still be

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fine but the cats can't so that that's

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important to me so if you want to make a

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donation to the kiddie fund for lauren

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to get to mufon and and and you know do

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her thing you can do it at l o r i e n

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f as in frank

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go ahead and throw some money into that

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paypal account

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and you can do it through friends and

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family that way we don't get dinged you

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know that's the best way to do it so if

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you can do that that'd be wonderful

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and i'll ask one more time during the

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show and that's it and next week i will

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be on a plane heading to las vegas

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at the same time my show is happening so

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i won't be here with you but uh we'll

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play a really great uh you know best of

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so i'm sure mj's already thumbing

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through the files looking for the best

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of show for you guys and then if

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everything works out right i will be

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city now i i do have what jan harrison

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did give me the best table in the house

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i want to tell you guys all this this is

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the wonderful miracle of mufon um the

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vendor room was sold out

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apparently at the jw marriott

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they um are completely sold out they

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have several conferences going on at the

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same time

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and they are obviously charging them for

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tables and they are not letting them

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it's interesting they're not letting

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them have as many tables in the lobby as

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they would like to have had they wanted

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to spread out their vendor room out to

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the lobby area and the hotel would not

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let them for fire marshal reasons i

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don't know but they did allow them a

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registration table and a couple of other

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tables that they were going to use for

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something else i believe and jan was

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kind enough to let me have the table

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that will be

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opposite the doors of the speaker or

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vendor room i'm not sure which

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that they were going to put like

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marketing on or i don't know what they

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were to do with it but anyhow it's my

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table now i paid for it i'm the only one

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out in the lobby i'll be doing

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broadcasting from there and that's what

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i want to tell you is i do hope that you

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guys are going to be either listening to

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me live there or

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i'm going to be recording the whole

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thing on video and you can watch it

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later so don't worry about that it'll

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all be up on my website

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and here's the other part to this if you

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can't make the mufon symposium you have

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got to go by the live stream

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the live stream will get you first i

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think it's it's on the website now it's

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79

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and that includes a free year of mufon

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tv

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it which is a new channel they've got

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going it includes the membership to move

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on and it includes the live stream of

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the conference so for 80 bucks you're

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getting the whole ball of wax the whole

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shebang and trust me folks it's well

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worth it because i think the mufon tv

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alone is something like

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79 a year and i think your membership i

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think it's 35 if i remember correctly

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because i got to renew mine this month

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anyhow

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and uh then there is the the live stream

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of the event which they were charging

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just 79 for so i think you're saving

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like a hundred bucks by doing that so i

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think it's a great deal

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i really really want every all of my

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listeners

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to really buy that and watch it invite

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your friends over have three or four

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people over watch it on your big screen

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tv you know plug in the hdmi cord to

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your computer and get it up on the hd

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you know on the big screen

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clone your screens and just

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watch it i mean it's going to be amazing

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you know invite the gang over have you

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know all your mufon buddies all your

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friends all your ufo buddies your other

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contact me friends and if you guys are

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going to your meetings like you're

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supposed to be

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like i've been asking you to all along

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and if you're creating groups you move

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on groups go to the state director if

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the state director isn't going to the

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conference oh i know what you guys need

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to do okay here's the answer to that you

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call the state director and you ask him

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if he's gonna buy the live stream and

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play it for all you guys okay so there

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you go that way you can make him have a

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meeting

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i'm not sure all the state directors are

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going so you know if you guys can't go

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the state director can't go get the live

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stream sit there and watch it now i'm

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telling you guys this mufon symposium is

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going to be

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uh interesting things going on there so

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i do hope you do watch the live stream

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because

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this whole corey good things you know

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going to play out there very seriously

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and uh bill tompkins tompkins is going

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to be there bob woods going to be there

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andy beshago is going to be there alfred

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and i don't know if alfred weber's going

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to be there no i don't think so andy

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bashago michael schratz going to be

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there and so is mark mccandlish and i

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you know mark and michael that are very

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good friends of mine and i seriously

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doubt

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that they're going along the same lines

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as the corey good stuff now i can tell

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you this i do know that they as myself

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absolutely believe that he's got

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something going on

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and uh you know i i don't know if i said

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it on this show but i'm going to say it

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one more time folks i'm not bashing

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corey good okay i'm tired of everybody

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emailing me telling me

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that they are tired of me bashing him i

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am not bashing him i think he is a

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contact bee of some sort

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um at worst he is a mind controlled

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contactee that's been set up to

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make us all look like fools with his

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dolls and his comic books

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and at best he's he you know he's

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well let's put it that way at best he's

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the guy who makes the comic books and

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the dolls and does all the tv shows and

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all that stuff at worst he's a con man

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who got into this for the money

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so you know we we're there's two sides

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to this and

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i'm i'm vying on the side that he's a

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mind control victim just like a lot of a

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lot of people are that are in this and

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if the if he isn't mind controlled he is

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a contact d

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but his contact has been so convoluted

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by the dark forces that are probably

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kidnapping him and taking an underground

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bases like they've done to melinda and

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misha and all my friends that have got

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these uh you know my lab stuff going on

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you know people don't realize this is

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very important to understand folks

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many many abductees i'm not talking

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about the contact these because i'm not

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sure that the contactees the people who

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talk to the the good looking plajarons

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and palladians and all that i don't hear

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them having the my labs contact that the

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people do that have the gray contact the

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grays and the reptilians they seem to be

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the main target of the mylabs

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and it seems to be people who have

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lifelong contact and they remember it it

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doesn't seem to be the ones who don't

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remember

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or have a few memories here and there

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but i'm telling you folks the more and

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more i dig into this the more and more

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people that are admitting to me

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you know i go to these meetings and they

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say yeah i've never told anybody this

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but besides being a contactee i've had

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bruises i've woken up with guys in the

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room i've been taking places i can't

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remember too much um

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yeah he interrogated

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um a lot of really bizarre stuff and i'm

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thinking

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why is this and i just you know

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i'm i'm really get the point where i've

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decided that

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the reptilians the grays and that whole

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faction is obviously working with our

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government in a much deeper way than

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we've ever thought possible for them to

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be you know abducting people

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and taking them in bands to meet

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the grays and the reptilians to torture

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them to interrogate them to do weird

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things that i'm i'm like oh my god it's

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so insane and it's not even on a ship

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it's usually in an underground base

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somewhere or or

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check this out or an office building

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that's even the weirder one that's

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coming my way these days so

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anyhow a lot of strange stuff going on

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with it and anyhow i digress but the

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bottom line to this corey good could be

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one of those people he could be severely

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compromised and we don't know he doesn't

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know we you know who knows

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you know it's it it's

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whatever it is i'm not bashing him i i

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really like the guy actually i wish he'd

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come on my show and talk about this

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stuff

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and you know try to

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maybe explore in his own mind what the

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possibilities are that has happened to

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him

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because even al bilik even all the guys

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that were supposedly involved with the

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montauk project in the philadelphia

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experiment have backtracked on

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everything they did because now they're

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starting to now the people that are left

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over

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the years have really started to wonder

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if they weren't programmed into saying

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what they were saying

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and i'm starting to wonder about a lot

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of people out there so you know there

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you go folks that's still my stance i

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still think

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uh some of the stuff that corey good's

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been bringing up is just a little out

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there and then some of it is just you

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know

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basic

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i'm a contactee stuff

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and i found out the other day a friend

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of mine called and said did you know

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that william henry had talked about the

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blue avians long before corey good did

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and that kind of cinched it for me then

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i felt kind of like oh god you know i

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didn't know that and and then i was

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really bothered because i thought that

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the blue avians were kind of his thing

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that he was the person who brought them

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to the forefront

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and to find out that william henry

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actually did it quite a bit sooner

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and then listening to other people talk

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about the stories he told about that

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were being talked about other people

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quite a bit earlier on

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that i just uh kind of made my stomach

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turn because i'm starting to think oh

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god this could be the con man scenario

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i'm just very worried about that

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so um and i actually know

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of another

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guy in the community who is a con man

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that

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i will never talk about and tell you

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guys anything about it but i can tell

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you this

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um

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i was thinking about back in 2012

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to have this guy speak at a conference

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of mine and i was met at another

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conference

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by his ex-girlfriend she actually drove

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three states to find me because she had

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heard through the grapevine that i was

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thinking about having this guy speak at

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my conference

519
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so the poor girl gets in her car drives

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three states away and finds me she heard

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i was going to be at this conference she

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finds me at the conference she she

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tracks me down she's are you laurie and

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fent and i said yes i am she goes i've

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got to talk to you and so we sat and

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we'd become good friends since then but

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she told me all the things that about

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this guy and then i said okay i gotta

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look into it you know i i believe you

530
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but i need to find out for myself so i

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got a hold of my buddy

532
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who is a um

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private investigator and i said i need

534
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you to track this stuff down for me and

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he did

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and it turns out she was absolutely

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right about the the physical you know

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the tangible stuff all the stuff i could

539
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she could corrupt you know i could get

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corroborated by her her story

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corroborated

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and um

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by the time it was all over i listened

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to a whole bunch of his presentations

545
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and realized he had pulled them from a

546
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whole bunch of other people from the

547
00:20:31,830 --> 00:20:29,919
past so um yeah so anyhow i've already

548
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:31,840
caught one person and like i said i'll

549
00:20:36,630 --> 00:20:34,640
never tell you guys who it is and

550
00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:36,640
there you go so um

551
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:38,480
yeah i just don't want to get into these

552
00:20:43,270 --> 00:20:41,360
battles i i really don't and a lot of

553
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,280
people come up to me at my conferences

554
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:44,559
and say why don't you have so-and-so why

555
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,000
don't you have so-and-so

556
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,640
and i i don't want to burst everybody's

557
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,320
bubbles all the time because i don't

558
00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:53,039
know about 90 of these people that they

559
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:54,960
you know i've only investigated two or

560
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:57,840
three of them and no but then the people

561
00:21:01,270 --> 00:20:59,919
that i just i just don't resonate with i

562
00:21:02,549 --> 00:21:01,280
just feel like there could be something

563
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,559
really wrong with their story i'm not

564
00:21:07,110 --> 00:21:04,480
going to happen my conference i don't

565
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,120
think it's it's worth my time to

566
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:09,360
to have a big name just because he's a

567
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:12,080
big name or she's a big name or whatever

568
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,039
and

569
00:21:17,190 --> 00:21:15,039
i just don't feel it's worth my time i

570
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,200
feel i want in it people with integrity

571
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,200
and people who have an interesting story

572
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,720
to tell and

573
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,480
people that have never been heard before

574
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:24,559
i think that's so much more important i

575
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,960
think you guys need to hear new people

576
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:28,640
aren't you tired of all the same old

577
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,559
people over and over again i sure as

578
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,799
heck i am i can't even believe it oh i

579
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:34,320
get i'm gonna say one more thing then

580
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,559
we're gonna take a break and get to our

581
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,559
guest this evening i kept him on for a

582
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:40,000
half an hour without saying anything i

583
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:41,280
feel so bad

584
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,880
um i just i just want to say you know i

585
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:46,960
am done with all of these people that

586
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,880
are at the same con the same people the

587
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,960
same conferences over and over and over

588
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:52,880
and over again i don't know about you

589
00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:54,080
guys but

590
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:56,640
if you guys could do me a big favor

591
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:58,080
i know all of you out there that listen

592
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:01,840
to me know a contactee are a contactee

593
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,799
um

594
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:05,039
and if you know anybody out on the west

595
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,000
coast

596
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:08,000
that wants to tell their story at a

597
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:09,919
conference maybe they're you know maybe

598
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,280
they're really good at it maybe you

599
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,960
think they'd be terrible at it you

600
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,120
wouldn't suggest it i don't know but if

601
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:17,039
they could just make a powerpoint and

602
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,720
get up in front of people i don't care

603
00:22:23,669 --> 00:22:20,720
how scared they are because

604
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:23,679
what i have found out is that the more

605
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,760
scared they are the most amazing

606
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:27,840
presentations come from that because

607
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,400
what happens is they get up on stage

608
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,880
they're petrified and then they start

609
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:34,640
telling their story

610
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,679
and

611
00:22:38,830 --> 00:22:37,679
it all the fear goes away for them

612
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:38,840
because they are

613
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:42,080
magically protected by the good part of

614
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:44,080
everything that's happened to them

615
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:45,039
and

616
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,280
super important i i like i said i i

617
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,200
don't want any contrived stuff anymore

618
00:23:01,590 --> 00:22:59,760
i'm done with it so if you guys know of

619
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:01,600
anybody out there who really wants to

620
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,240
get their story out um i'd be happy to

621
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:07,120
vet them you know and and uh help them

622
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,039
if they're if their story's really super

623
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:11,039
compelling you know it's like

624
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:13,039
super crazy stuff i i don't mean just

625
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,039
lights in the sky or i was taken by the

626
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:17,760
et's now i have baby aliens i mean i'm

627
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:19,200
sorry but that's been done a million

628
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:21,480
times i want some really new stuff some

629
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,640
extraordinary stuff that you know i mean

630
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,720
isn't that funny i'm sitting here saying

631
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,400
oh i don't care about all the people who

632
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:30,000
have kids with aliens anymore and all

633
00:23:34,149 --> 00:23:31,760
that so i i want you know i want

634
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,159
something new and tangible and and

635
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,600
something that's actually going to be

636
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:36,960
kind of like

637
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:39,600
uh mind shattering in the community i

638
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,720
don't know where we're going to find

639
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,760
that you know i don't know if we're

640
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,400
going to get any real answers anymore

641
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:46,559
but uh it sure would be nice to find

642
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,400
somebody who's getting those answers

643
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,320
from the plajarons the palladians you

644
00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:53,440
know or or whatever and see if there's

645
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:55,280
something that's changed since the billy

646
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,400
meyer stories or the dan sherman stories

647
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,039
or the you know whitley strieber stories

648
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:02,880
or the um

649
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,880
stan roman act stories or you know

650
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:06,480
whatever they're telling us is going to

651
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:08,559
happen on the planet i'd like to hear

652
00:24:12,630 --> 00:24:11,120
the latest news

653
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,640
wouldn't that be cool

654
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:14,559
so anyhow so that's what i'd like so if

655
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:16,480
you guys have someone like that if you

656
00:24:20,630 --> 00:24:19,039
are that person get a hold of me get a

657
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,640
hold of me through the network go to my

658
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,200
website lorien fenton.com

659
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:29,110
dot-com and just send me a message and

660
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,480
say hey i'd like to speak at your

661
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:32,720
conference and this is my story and you

662
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,320
know and we'll check it out you never

663
00:24:37,830 --> 00:24:35,840
know you know

664
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:37,840
um it would be lovely to have some of

665
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:38,960
you up there

666
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,000
so um anyhow okay i'm done with that for

667
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:44,000
the night so you guys remember

668
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:47,440
mufon symposium coming up next week

669
00:24:53,390 --> 00:24:50,799
20th of uh july through the 23rd

670
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,400
and get the live stream go to

671
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:55,279
mufonsymposium.com to get it you can

672
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,799
also go to mufon.com and find it there

673
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,960
yeah you can do whatever you need to do

674
00:25:05,269 --> 00:25:02,960
but just make sure that you're part of

675
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,279
this because it's going to be truly an

676
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:07,520
extraordinary event so just you know

677
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:10,320
figure out how to be be present

678
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,360
electronically or physically

679
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:15,760
there you go and i will be broadcasting

680
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:18,080
through irn and possibly a couple other

681
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,080
networks uh on friday and saturday and

682
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,760
it'll be in the afternoon so i'll just

683
00:25:27,190 --> 00:25:25,679
let you guys know about that as it's

684
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:27,200
occurring i guess

685
00:25:32,070 --> 00:25:30,559
okay well i gotta talk to uh jim now oh

686
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,080
you know what

687
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:34,720
i did not i haven't been in chat yet oh

688
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:36,960
my god i'm so bad a gym are you still

689
00:25:42,230 --> 00:25:40,080
with me still hanging in i'm sorry i

690
00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:42,240
usually do about 15 or 20 minutes of

691
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:44,080
ranting but today i had to go a little

692
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,200
longer

693
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:49,909
i'm drinking my coffee and i'm getting

694
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:53,279
ready to uh figure out

695
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,559
what exactly i'm going to do about this

696
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,480
whole mufon situation you know what

697
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,039
let's take our break and uh when we come

698
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:01,120
back i just i'm gonna ask you a couple

699
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,600
questions and uh i don't i'm not putting

700
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,679
you on the hot seat but you can ask

701
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,279
honestly how's that

702
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:08,840
answer

703
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:11,120
honestly about what you feel about

704
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:13,919
bouffant how's that okay

705
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,880
oh dear i think i'm being bad if i put

706
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,039
you on the spot already

707
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:20,960
you you talking to me

708
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:23,679
yeah i'm talking about you oh we got a

709
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:26,799
big we got a big big big

710
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,279
big surprise for you tonight

711
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,760
what oh really yeah okay this is gonna

712
00:26:35,750 --> 00:26:34,400
be awesome you just wanted what you just

713
00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:35,760
asked for

714
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:37,039
you're gonna get

715
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,159
in spades oh my god okay this is gonna

716
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,919
be great all right

717
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,000
what'd i say you guys what i'm gonna say

718
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,159
before we get into roswell

719
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,159
well wait wait wait wrong we gotta take

720
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,919
our first break of the night

721
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,679
as soon as we get back then we're going

722
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,799
to get in

723
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:54,320
we're going to die because i am the

724
00:27:01,029 --> 00:26:59,430
all right everybody stick around the

725
00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:01,039
messenger look around

726
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:02,720
ufo gym

727
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:08,710
welcome back everyone to the california

728
00:27:14,310 --> 00:27:11,039
mufon radio show i'm your host lorian

729
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:14,320
fenton and uh yeah i don't know where to

730
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:16,799
start jim ludwig is with us tonight my

731
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:20,080
bit my one of my best ufo buddies ufo

732
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:23,679
jim led with he has uh he teaches at the

733
00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:26,240
sonoma community center every year in

734
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:29,279
october all about ufos and he's covered

735
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,600
the moon he's covered hollywood and ufos

736
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,520
he's covered

737
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,640
oh my god roswell i'm just what else

738
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,200
have you covered jim

739
00:27:42,390 --> 00:27:41,200
um abduction

740
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,400
oh yeah

741
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,840
john abduction

742
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:44,960
um

743
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:46,640
just everything i mean i'm more of a

744
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:49,440
generalist ufologist than have a

745
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:50,559
specific

746
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:53,840
uh category a subject matter that i kind

747
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,480
of you know delve in i'm you know i just

748
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,440
don't want to do one thing

749
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:01,440
i don't blame you and i also wanted to

750
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,159
say you do something that nobody else

751
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,720
does and you are so good at it and you

752
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:08,320
really should be doing it all over the

753
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:10,880
united states and that is that jim

754
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,399
curates ufo film festivals and he

755
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,120
creates them he created one at my

756
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:20,159
conference ufo con this year that was it

757
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,240
kind of blew our minds didn't it jim on

758
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,760
friday night we

759
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,840
jim picked out all these kind of

760
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:27,440
old-timer

761
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,640
videos um that were all in black and

762
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:32,880
white and you know just kind of like you

763
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,799
know i just kind of figured you know

764
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,880
we'd only have a few people in the room

765
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:38,480
and they wouldn't stay very long and i

766
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:40,240
kind of thought we'd shut it down early

767
00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:42,720
right jim that's what i thought too i

768
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:44,240
was looking forward to meeting you all

769
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,360
at the bar

770
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,279
exactly that's what i was thinking i

771
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,440
thought well if it's a bus we'll just go

772
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,360
hang out at the bar together right right

773
00:28:55,029 --> 00:28:53,279
that's right the next thing i know i'm

774
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:55,039
having a meeting with all the speakers

775
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,480
and we're in the next room and it's

776
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,960
about 9 or ten and then it's it's going

777
00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:00,559
on it's happening there's still people

778
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:01,919
in there and i'm thinking well that's

779
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,120
kind of cool

780
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:05,279
there wasn't a ton of people but there's

781
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,279
a lot more people than i thought and

782
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,840
then what we went really late and it was

783
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,440
like one o'clock in the morning and

784
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:13,600
people were still in the room watching

785
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,720
these things and i was absolutely amazed

786
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,279
and they were really good

787
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,640
why don't you tell the audience the

788
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:22,399
names of those so they can go look them

789
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:23,760
up themselves because they are just

790
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:26,720
truly amazing uh you know what are they

791
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,640
now youtube videos or

792
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,919
whatever

793
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:32,000
all the films that i'm going to mention

794
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,760
you can see on youtube

795
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,919
yeah so you don't have to buy it or

796
00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:38,880
anything like that you can go see it

797
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,960
at your leisure so to speak

798
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,320
um

799
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,559
what we did was we

800
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:46,640
have with the sonoma international film

801
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,080
festival which is a main stream

802
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:51,840
we've done this with film and we're in

803
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,559
our eighth year now where we do our ufo

804
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:55,919
symposium

805
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,640
and i we primarily deal with the general

806
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:01,279
public though we do have some people

807
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:03,760
move on people and you know laurie anne

808
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:06,880
her chapter uh the sacramento chapters

809
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:10,320
uh san jose chapter california uh that

810
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:13,360
attend um but it was interesting that

811
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,200
the type of films that the genre all you

812
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:19,760
people that listen to this program

813
00:30:25,269 --> 00:30:22,720
tend to watch or to screen

814
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:25,279
was different than the mainstream

815
00:30:28,870 --> 00:30:26,320
public

816
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,880
they liked a different kind of film and

817
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:31,360
one that our people liked

818
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:35,039
was unidentified flying objects

819
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:38,320
the true story of flying saucers

820
00:30:43,110 --> 00:30:41,200
it was distributed by united artists

821
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:43,120
1956

822
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:45,919
and it is a great film it's somewhat

823
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,559
hollywood which is okay and a lot of

824
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,399
truth including

825
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,279
some real flying saucers filmed shown to

826
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,880
the general public

827
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,799
and this film

828
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:58,080
had the room

829
00:31:04,470 --> 00:31:00,640
not totally packed but pretty packed

830
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:04,480
and normally the general public

831
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:05,679
just

832
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:10,799
i love the summer there's so much to do

833
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:12,720
driving my new volkswagen jetta to the

834
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,360
lake driving it to the beach driving it

835
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,919
home after a weekend at the beach see i

836
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,440
got a great deal from my local

837
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,360
volkswagen dealer and with available

838
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,440
features like adaptive cruise control

839
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,279
blind spot monitor and rear traffic

840
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:28,240
alert this jetta is all about confidence

841
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,279
i think i'll drive it up to the

842
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,279
mountains this weekend i might even go

843
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,679
hiking if i have time test drive the

844
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,440
volkswagen jetta this summer at your

845
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,840
local volkswagen dealer

846
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,760
it doesn't translate for them

847
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,240
but it translated for our people so to

848
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:44,399
speak whatever our people may be

849
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:48,080
um and basically it's about uh a guy by

850
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:50,159
the name of al chop public information

851
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:51,200
officer

852
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,679
with the air force pentagon

853
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,480
um it's a really interesting story

854
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,399
and um matter of fact when they made

855
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,960
this film in 1956 and released it the

856
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:03,120
united states air force drew up

857
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:06,399
contingency plans to counteract

858
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,440
any anticipated fallout from the movie

859
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,279
upon its release

860
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:12,720
oh you're kidding

861
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,399
kind of like they didn't do with war in

862
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,799
the worlds back in 1930

863
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,880
whatever yeah 20 years earlier when they

864
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:19,919
wore the worlds they didn't have

865
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,960
contingency plans

866
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,559
but they sure had kind of this time

867
00:32:26,950 --> 00:32:25,919
around and you know what they didn't

868
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:26,960
need them

869
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,360
highly recommended another film which is

870
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,960
really really good

871
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:34,240
is

872
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,120
ufos it has begun

873
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:39,840
it was made in 1979

874
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,799
this film is a straightaway total out

875
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:44,640
and out disclosure film

876
00:32:48,549 --> 00:32:47,600
no if ands or buts when you see this

877
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,559
film

878
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,480
you just gotten disclosure

879
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,440
the film starts with a colonel coleman

880
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,399
and he's at the pentagon yes in

881
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,760
washington dc he's in the pentagon and

882
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,159
he starts the film off and he's in the

883
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:04,559
hallway of the pentagon and he's doing a

884
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:06,720
ufo disclosure film

885
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,279
oh my god i know people are coming and

886
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,159
going to and from their offices etc and

887
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,960
so forth this film was hosted by rod

888
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,159
sterling

889
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,320
remember from the twilight zone

890
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,559
and there were a couple of notable

891
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,320
actors that were in it they do that for

892
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:24,399
you know some star appeal

893
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:27,519
um jose ferreira was one of them oh

894
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:30,399
that's great yeah yeah yeah and so

895
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,760
basically what this film does is uh it

896
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:36,000
show we got jock ballet in it i mean

897
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:38,000
there is all kinds of stuff they have a

898
00:33:45,070 --> 00:33:41,919
guy from the cia that was doing this

899
00:33:48,230 --> 00:33:45,080
viewing a craft uh in washington in the

900
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,240
19 i believe 60s and when they made the

901
00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:50,240
film was in 7 the 70s

902
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,120
mid to latter 70s but he was there and

903
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,679
he explained what happened and all the

904
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:58,960
uh things that evolved in his meeting

905
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,760
and uh um

906
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,320
the viewing of an extraterrestrial craft

907
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,000
because they wanted proof in this

908
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:08,240
meeting they said well prove it to us

909
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:09,440
that you're

910
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:10,399
really

911
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,560
here and they said go to the window and

912
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:14,000
they looked out the window and there it

913
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:16,960
was but that is another really really

914
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:18,639
great film

915
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:22,159
and uh it is ufos

916
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,359
it has begun 1979

917
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,159
and it is available also on youtube or

918
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,839
you can buy it actually

919
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,240
if you want to cool yeah i may

920
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,159
eventually buy that and have it in my

921
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,480
library i love stuff like that you know

922
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,399
what blows my mind about that first

923
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,320
movie you mentioned was the fact that it

924
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:42,800
was made a year before i was born

925
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,760
it just blows my mind that's 61 years

926
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,359
ago well we're going to be talking

927
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:49,760
shortly about 70 years ago

928
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,560
oh great okay i'm really excited about

929
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:53,760
that

930
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:56,079
so here's what i wanted to do something

931
00:35:00,310 --> 00:34:57,760
has come up

932
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:00,320
and i wanted to save it for your program

933
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,200
and for move on oh you are so sweet

934
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:04,960
and i'm going to ask your audience your

935
00:35:08,710 --> 00:35:06,560
listening audience

936
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,720
if they think what i'm going to say and

937
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,000
talk about

938
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:12,560
initially and later on probably but

939
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:13,760
initially

940
00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:15,440
is really worth

941
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:18,400
something it really makes a lot of sense

942
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:21,839
and it is earth shaking

943
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,880
really send laurie some money

944
00:35:27,750 --> 00:35:26,240
send over

945
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:27,760
money

946
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:32,160
it was earth shaking it was everything

947
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:34,880
send money because help her out because

948
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,000
gloria ann fenton has helped me out for

949
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,880
over 10 years she has gotten me

950
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,800
interviewed now see you're in a time

951
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,040
bubble too i haven't i've known you

952
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,240
since 2000 and about 10 or 11.

953
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,000
so what you're saying it's only seven

954
00:35:54,710 --> 00:35:52,800
years yeah yeah see this is weird it's

955
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,720
like all my friends that are in the ufo

956
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:56,560
community think i've known him for 20 or

957
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,480
30 years

958
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,480
and i've known them for like seven or

959
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,920
five you know and they're like i've

960
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,079
known you forever i'm like oh no no you

961
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,320
haven't but anyhow but go ahead i

962
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,720
digressed on that one but yeah all i'm

963
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:10,880
asking is you're gonna hear something

964
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,160
tonight that you haven't heard yet

965
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:15,920
this is going to be the first

966
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,280
and i like to say is tomorrow morning

967
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:21,440
you go outside and when we talk about

968
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:22,960
and you look up

969
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:25,680
and if what i say is true

970
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:27,200
help lorient

971
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:30,079
help wow okay i'm dying to hear this

972
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:32,160
okay go for it okay i'm ready

973
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:33,200
let me just give you a little bit of

974
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:36,640
background um i am not a big fan of

975
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:39,280
investigating chemtrails

976
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:40,560
i

977
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:47,520
sprayed

978
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:51,760
tell me about it yes but what i but what

979
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,520
aggravates me more is nobody looks up

980
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,920
nobody looks up i talk about chemtrails

981
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,000
they say oh now it's contrails i'm not

982
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,640
it's contrails so really yeah contrails

983
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,359
two four six minutes hey how about three

984
00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:06,720
or four hours

985
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,150
yeah you're you gotta you gotta

986
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,000
yesterday i was told you know what you

987
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,800
need to take a course in astronomy or

988
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,800
meteorology that was it they said you

989
00:37:23,310 --> 00:37:21,359
need to take a course immediately i said

990
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:23,320
i don't need to see a tic tac

991
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:26,320
tic-tac-toe game going on in the sky and

992
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:29,280
have to identify those clouds to me

993
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:30,800
that's chemtrails

994
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:34,800
and so but yet i'm ufo gym and ufo jim

995
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,839
wants to research investigate and be

996
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,119
involved in

997
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,920
ufos and extraterrestrials i do not

998
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:43,440
really want to

999
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:45,839
spend a lot of time in chemtrail area

1000
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,359
except for the fact

1001
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,200
chris everand

1002
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:50,560
who is

1003
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:53,200
uh enigmatv.com

1004
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,800
he did kind of a

1005
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,640
about five years ago

1006
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,160
and now you can see this on youtube i

1007
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:00,880
believe and it's called secret space

1008
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:04,960
three the crop circle conspiracy

1009
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:07,839
now he's very dramatic but boy did he do

1010
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:11,359
a good job he's got ufos or orbs

1011
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,560
following

1012
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,280
aircraft spraying the chemtrails

1013
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,119
following the aircraft and you could see

1014
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:19,839
him i mean he's done it we know that oh

1015
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,640
my god that's so cool okay go ahead why

1016
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,480
are they following the cam the aircraft

1017
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,240
and then with the kento they're probably

1018
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,320
just you know acquiring some of the

1019
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,119
stuff to analyze what the heck

1020
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,599
are we spraying on ourselves that kind

1021
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,599
of thing but if you go to

1022
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,599
enigmatv.com

1023
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:40,079
secret space 3 the crop circle

1024
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:41,599
conspiracy

1025
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,400
in the first 15 minutes

1026
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,560
you don't have to

1027
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,240
spend a lot of time even though it's

1028
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,160
quite interesting what he what he puts

1029
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,800
on there but but that being said all you

1030
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,040
need is 15 minutes

1031
00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:57,920
so going back to the chemtrails

1032
00:39:02,470 --> 00:38:59,200
um

1033
00:39:03,910 --> 00:39:02,480
about a month ago

1034
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:03,920
all of a sudden

1035
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,320
there were no chemtrails

1036
00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:08,079
there was no chemtrails this is what i'm

1037
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:10,079
going to ask you all to do tomorrow go

1038
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,200
look up

1039
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,280
this is northern california now to do

1040
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,880
chemtrails you probably have to do it

1041
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,760
worldwide to have it be effective if

1042
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,920
you're trying to block the sun or doing

1043
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,079
haarp or whatever you're doing with your

1044
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,480
chemtrails you probably have to do it in

1045
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,640
mass you can't just do an area like

1046
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,320
northern california and to say that's

1047
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,800
that and i know i've had i've had people

1048
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,359
all over the world calling me saying oh

1049
00:39:37,510 --> 00:39:35,599
i'm in venice right now and all i see

1050
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:37,520
are chemtrails

1051
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:38,640
really

1052
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:41,599
over in europe oh my god everywhere okay

1053
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:42,480
okay

1054
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:45,440
so there were no chemtrails so i

1055
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,839
thought to myself interesting maybe it's

1056
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,079
a holiday or this or that and i was

1057
00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:51,839
talking to one or two folks about it and

1058
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:54,160
they said oh maybe it's because the kids

1059
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,599
are out of school

1060
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:56,880
and

1061
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,640
they're not spraying now because the

1062
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:00,079
kids are out of the classroom and

1063
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:02,880
they're outside because it's recess it's

1064
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:04,880
it's summer it's summer vacation yeah

1065
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,680
okay

1066
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,680
the problem is if you're in the southern

1067
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,359
hemisphere or some other part of the

1068
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,560
world

1069
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:12,480
you may not be

1070
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:18,240
not in school you may be in school

1071
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,200
so

1072
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,200
the question is

1073
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:23,599
i mean it doesn't work for for the whole

1074
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:24,480
planet

1075
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,839
it doesn't work

1076
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:26,800
so

1077
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,680
sure i just want to say when you were

1078
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,680
talking about this just now and you said

1079
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:35,440
the kids were out of school my first

1080
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:36,720
thought was

1081
00:40:42,310 --> 00:40:39,680
and i did notice that when i was up in

1082
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:42,320
volcano california they over sprayed us

1083
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,040
up there up in the high sierras about

1084
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,040
three or four it was the first part of

1085
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:49,680
june the first weekend of june and i

1086
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:52,720
haven't seen too much since then

1087
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:55,119
and here's my theory on it you're gonna

1088
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,359
you're gonna love this theory

1089
00:41:02,230 --> 00:40:59,680
i think because bohemian grove is

1090
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:02,240
happening in sebastopol in the next this

1091
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,520
weekend

1092
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:05,280
that they stopped spraying a month ahead

1093
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,480
of time because they don't want to

1094
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:09,200
poison their leaders

1095
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,319
well look let's take this a step further

1096
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,640
okay okay that's just my opinion okay go

1097
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,480
ahead well no no no well you're on the

1098
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,400
kind of the right track actually

1099
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:21,040
really okay that's interesting okay so

1100
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:27,190
the paris climate accords

1101
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:28,079
oh

1102
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:30,319
yeah think about this

1103
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:33,280
the paris climate accords we're out of

1104
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:34,880
it

1105
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,440
pro-donald or not anti-donald i don't

1106
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,760
really watch for any of them because i

1107
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:45,599
don't either yeah they're all part of

1108
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:48,560
the same system that has dumbed us down

1109
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,200
for the past 70 to 80 years

1110
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:54,480
but that being but that being said the

1111
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:57,599
paris climate accord

1112
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:04,069
people that are in countries that are in

1113
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,800
it

1114
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,200
and there's two countries that aren't

1115
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:09,839
one of them is i think nicaragua because

1116
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,319
they think we're just two willy-nillians

1117
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,040
too mild of a program

1118
00:42:18,870 --> 00:42:17,440
and the other one is syria who are in a

1119
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,880
civil war

1120
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,880
right so they're not in it and now the

1121
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:22,319
united states

1122
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,920
but check it out

1123
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:26,160
who's big you know who's got the big

1124
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:27,520
bucks

1125
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:29,200
who may have been paying for those

1126
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,280
chemtrails

1127
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,720
yeah

1128
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:34,640
if in fact

1129
00:42:43,109 --> 00:42:38,800
accords

1130
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:43,119
somehow or another maybe president trump

1131
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,240
said you know this is awfully expensive

1132
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:47,760
you know it's costing us you know a

1133
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,839
billion dollars a year or five billion

1134
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,160
dollars a year to do this program and

1135
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:55,200
we're footing 80 of the bill or 70 of

1136
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:56,160
the bill

1137
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:57,200
maybe

1138
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:00,480
in a kind of a bizarre sort of way

1139
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,319
what people are saying about him

1140
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,880
negatively and by the way you know i've

1141
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:06,480
said my share

1142
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,480
um the reality is he's a businessman

1143
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:13,119
so maybe that's right think about it

1144
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,400
maybe

1145
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,680
it's as simple

1146
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:17,119
as business

1147
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:19,680
maybe it's as simple as saving money

1148
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,480
where are the chem trails we haven't had

1149
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:24,400
them for almost three about three to

1150
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:25,680
four weeks

1151
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:27,839
where are they i've never seen they've

1152
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,200
been going on for 15 or 20 years and now

1153
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:33,599
there's no chemtrails you know i i got

1154
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,960
up this morning and i'm looking out

1155
00:43:39,109 --> 00:43:36,880
there saying with my luck they'll start

1156
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:39,119
up again today

1157
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,440
well yeah you never know but i don't

1158
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:42,800
think they're going to start up here in

1159
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,200
northern california again if they do

1160
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,680
because like i said i noticed this last

1161
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,680
year and i never said anything about it

1162
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,119
because i thought i was kind of going

1163
00:43:56,390 --> 00:43:54,000
nuts about it you know right right the

1164
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,400
two or three weeks before the bohemian

1165
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,240
grove started i noticed there were no

1166
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,400
chemtrails up in marine county and you

1167
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,839
know sonoma

1168
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,880
and

1169
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,800
they didn't start up again until two

1170
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,720
weeks after they all left

1171
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:08,640
the first part of august

1172
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:09,760
well again

1173
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,480
go ahead sorry yeah so i just thought

1174
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,119
my my brain was thinking well

1175
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:17,119
and i asked the person who lived in

1176
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,480
phoenix that they were still having them

1177
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:20,160
and he said yes

1178
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,040
so

1179
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,640
i kind of went oh well they're just

1180
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:24,000
taking care of their own they're not

1181
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,160
spraying their you know the president

1182
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:28,560
and everybody else right

1183
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,119
that's there and so i let it go but um

1184
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:35,200
interesting very interesting so now what

1185
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,720
we've got to do is we've got to get

1186
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,119
everybody out getting us reports

1187
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,280
yeah and the trails are happening

1188
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,119
exactly so i went to i mean it's not

1189
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:45,200
anywhere lorienne it is not anywhere i

1190
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:51,589
and which is the site for you know

1191
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,950
right

1192
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:59,040
and there's nothing there's nothing on

1193
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,960
the google there's nothing there's

1194
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:02,960
nothing nothing nothing except for one

1195
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:05,680
thing tonight it's on your program

1196
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,960
tonight

1197
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:08,720
you and mufon

1198
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:11,200
and inception radio network have

1199
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:13,359
officially broke the story

1200
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:16,240
this is very cool i really hope that

1201
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,079
you're right man wouldn't that be

1202
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:21,119
something it would be i mean

1203
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:22,319
just you know

1204
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,319
i mean

1205
00:45:27,270 --> 00:45:25,839
he should be inviting us down to

1206
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,280
mar-a-lago

1207
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:30,160
for a wonderful dinner and party

1208
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:35,990
if we make him out to be a hero of the

1209
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,880
planet and i'm i'm not i'm

1210
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,520
again i'm i'm not for him and i'm not

1211
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:44,079
against him i have no i i'm against i'm

1212
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,359
theoretically against all of the

1213
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:47,280
politicians they're all part of the same

1214
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:50,319
system that's right me too and i i've

1215
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:52,960
point blank stated to everybody i do not

1216
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,520
vote for that exact reason and my whole

1217
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,920
theory is this if everybody in the

1218
00:46:02,309 --> 00:46:00,160
united states would be would rebel and

1219
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:02,319
not vote for any of them until we

1220
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,920
actually put people in power that we

1221
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,480
wanted in power then we could change the

1222
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:08,480
world but i'm tired of being yelled at

1223
00:46:12,870 --> 00:46:10,400
for not voting because what people don't

1224
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:12,880
understand is by voting you're just

1225
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,240
complying to the the the cabal basically

1226
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,920
is what you're doing so

1227
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,440
you know i'm not going to do it and it's

1228
00:46:23,100 --> 00:46:21,359
just that simple so i hope nobody gets

1229
00:46:24,870 --> 00:46:23,110
mad at me tonight on the show about it

1230
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:24,880
[Music]

1231
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,119
here's let's go back to the

1232
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,560
go back to the chemtrails for a minute

1233
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:30,319
so in fact

1234
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,079
if des moines iowa tomorrow there's no

1235
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:34,000
chem trails and if new york city there's

1236
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,520
no chemistry

1237
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:38,000
if it's just in this area i throw my

1238
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,000
hands in the air and say

1239
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:42,480
you know i gave it a good try or

1240
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:45,359
but you know what i am the messenger

1241
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:48,720
when i was going down the school

1242
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:51,599
trail when i was going down it's the

1243
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,560
kids they're not inside they're outside

1244
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,040
and all i got a hit now was the hit from

1245
00:47:02,710 --> 00:46:59,839
e.t because i am an abductee myself and

1246
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:02,720
i have had information given to me was

1247
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,839
that information given to me maybe

1248
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,960
maybe not

1249
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:09,040
i don't know all of a sudden i said to

1250
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:09,920
myself

1251
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,480
i heard paris accords

1252
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,480
paris accords

1253
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,280
interesting

1254
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:19,440
you know i'm telling you jim contact

1255
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:22,640
these um and abduct these contactees

1256
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:25,760
whatever get amazing insight i mean i

1257
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,319
know i do i you know i've always thought

1258
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:31,359
i was very psychic but the older i get

1259
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,920
i'm starting to think that my angels

1260
00:47:38,230 --> 00:47:35,920
because those are my aliens or angels as

1261
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,240
far as i can tell they're just higher

1262
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,960
dimensional aliens that's all

1263
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:42,160
um

1264
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:45,280
i i know they they absolutely steer me

1265
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:46,560
in the right direction and they're

1266
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,079
always looking out for me and they're

1267
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:50,240
always giving me answers and i have

1268
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:52,880
these amazing downloads of complete

1269
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,319
insight into

1270
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,319
amazing things not that i can remember

1271
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:58,079
them all well or do exactly what they

1272
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,079
need me to do to fix things but at least

1273
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,839
i try

1274
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:02,800
and

1275
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,800
you know but i absolutely hear you

1276
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:06,880
because i'll tell you a funny funny

1277
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:09,839
thing i'm sitting here three days ago

1278
00:48:13,510 --> 00:48:12,000
and i'm working away and something in my

1279
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:13,520
head said

1280
00:48:18,550 --> 00:48:16,240
check out what you owed a wordpress

1281
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,560
multi-user platform because your

1282
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:20,880
membership is due soon and i'm hearing

1283
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:23,280
this in my head and i'm thinking is that

1284
00:48:27,430 --> 00:48:25,839
me or is that somebody telling me to pay

1285
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,440
attention because i was not thinking

1286
00:48:32,470 --> 00:48:29,359
about that at all right

1287
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:32,480
and um sure enough i'm sitting here last

1288
00:48:37,030 --> 00:48:34,079
night at two or three o'clock in the

1289
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:37,040
morning and a paypal payment comes

1290
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,319
through for

1291
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,880
a heck of a lot more money than i have

1292
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,280
in any checking account right so i'm

1293
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:45,760
flipping out and paypal doesn't open

1294
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:48,559
until 5am so i waited up till 5am to

1295
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,000
call paypal to cancel out that wpmu

1296
00:48:55,990 --> 00:48:54,559
automatic yearly fee

1297
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,000
and um

1298
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,760
it was so funny because i'm thinking

1299
00:49:02,069 --> 00:48:59,920
gosh you know is that me being smart to

1300
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,079
remember the date somehow but i don't

1301
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:04,720
think i'm that smart so it's some kind

1302
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,920
of subconscious connection i have with

1303
00:49:11,430 --> 00:49:09,599
these other dimensional beings that

1304
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,440
they're always looking out for me to try

1305
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,680
to keep me safe

1306
00:49:18,069 --> 00:49:16,240
no matter what it is you know it's very

1307
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:18,079
interesting

1308
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:19,839
and i don't know if you get that i mean

1309
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,400
i'm just using one example about a a

1310
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,319
money situation that stressed me out

1311
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:25,760
beyond belief

1312
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,720
um but you know i just it's amazing to

1313
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,800
me i talk to all these contactees and

1314
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,400
they all say the same thing they always

1315
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:33,599
say yep

1316
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,280
i knew i shouldn't have done that i was

1317
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,960
told before not to do it and i went

1318
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,680
ahead and did it anyhow

1319
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,359
you know i mean it's just you know it's

1320
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,960
like what are we gonna do to wake up

1321
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,440
humanity especially the contactees you

1322
00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:46,960
know they're getting all these answers

1323
00:49:50,309 --> 00:49:49,040
and they still mess up you know it's

1324
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,319
kind of funny

1325
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:52,480
um anyhow but

1326
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:56,160
but here's but if in fact

1327
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:00,559
this is true yeah that's a major story

1328
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:03,760
it's beyond major jim it's like it's it

1329
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,800
it's gonna change everything as far as

1330
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,359
how people see him now i'm gonna i'm

1331
00:50:12,630 --> 00:50:10,800
gonna tell you something i don't talk

1332
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:12,640
about this much but

1333
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:15,520
um i uh

1334
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,160
i have some insight into him from a

1335
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,280
person that is very close to him and

1336
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,839
i and all i got from my friend and i'll

1337
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:25,920
tell you guys who it is he's not really

1338
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,000
a friend friend he is a

1339
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,680
working acquaintance friend and it's

1340
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:31,359
roger stone

1341
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,960
roger said to me

1342
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,359
only one time and i think he said it to

1343
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,720
me and two other people that were

1344
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:38,000
standing around at one of the

1345
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,559
conferences last year

1346
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:43,200
right before donald was elected

1347
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:45,599
he said that you would be surprised what

1348
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:48,720
this man wants to solve for our problems

1349
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,240
in the government

1350
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,240
and i just kind of struck me as very

1351
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,079
cool when he said that i thought you

1352
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:56,079
know that that's a really interesting

1353
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,359
thing to say

1354
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,079
because you know obviously roger and

1355
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,760
donald trump and all these people are

1356
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:03,680
not going to come out and say exactly

1357
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:05,200
what they got going

1358
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,400
you know

1359
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,640
he donald trump is not your regular

1360
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,960
president he can't get out there and do

1361
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:12,880
that like everybody else did he's been

1362
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:15,599
attacked since day one

1363
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:18,400
and so i haven't just from that

1364
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:20,960
statement from roger i had a very

1365
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,599
sneaking feeling that we as a public

1366
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,839
were probably never gonna know

1367
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:28,480
the really amazing true

1368
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:31,200
miraculous things this man was gonna do

1369
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,319
for us

1370
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:34,079
that you know he's probably just gonna

1371
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,680
start taking care of business and no

1372
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:37,040
one's going to really know about it

1373
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:38,559
except for the people that are close to

1374
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:39,520
him

1375
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,280
and

1376
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,440
this may be that case this may be the

1377
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,599
first thing he did to really start

1378
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,000
getting rid of the the powers that be in

1379
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:50,800
their evil cabal that has been dictating

1380
00:51:55,750 --> 00:51:54,079
our existence for some time now

1381
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,760
and also what is this saying about the

1382
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,520
paris climate accord

1383
00:52:02,790 --> 00:51:59,760
what it could be saying is it could be

1384
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:02,800
saying is that so remember to do

1385
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:05,119
chemtrails to be effective according to

1386
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:08,000
the experts and i'm no expert but the

1387
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:10,079
experts seem to say it has to be done to

1388
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:13,440
be effective worldwide well what could

1389
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:15,119
bring everybody together with running

1390
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:18,160
the climate in one place at one time but

1391
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,559
the paris climate accord

1392
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:23,280
yeah yeah absolutely there is that would

1393
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:24,000
be

1394
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:27,680
wheelhouse

1395
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,760
for the program

1396
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,000
and probably and i keep going back to

1397
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:34,240
think about the money that maybe

1398
00:52:40,150 --> 00:52:37,839
president trump wasn't necessarily

1399
00:52:41,190 --> 00:52:40,160
saying that's a good program or a bad

1400
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,200
program

1401
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:42,800
but what he may have said is it's an

1402
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,960
expensive program

1403
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:46,480
yeah exactly

1404
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,240
and for that reason and that reason

1405
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,800
alone he may be doing the planet a lot

1406
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,359
of good and i mean i can't believe i'm

1407
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:55,839
you know i'm waving his banner right now

1408
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:00,559
but the reality is this may be true

1409
00:53:07,589 --> 00:53:04,240
he may not even know what he's done

1410
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:07,599
that's true too i mean i

1411
00:53:10,870 --> 00:53:08,400
can't

1412
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,880
wouldn't it be amazing that a a real

1413
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,200
businessman uh that sits there and

1414
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:15,359
counts every penny that's going through

1415
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:18,000
our government has uh you know kind of

1416
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:19,040
uh

1417
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:20,720
superstitiously

1418
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:22,880
gone around and started making this

1419
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,480
world a better place for all of us

1420
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,119
wouldn't that be amazing i just love it

1421
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:29,040
well it may just maybe it's also it

1422
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:31,920
wasn't the chemtrails that got the

1423
00:53:36,230 --> 00:53:33,839
president to say get we're going to get

1424
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,240
out of this accord oh yeah well he did

1425
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,720
mention it was very expensive and by the

1426
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,200
way jim we got to take our next break so

1427
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,880
let's do that now and then we come back

1428
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,480
we'll finish up with this and then we'll

1429
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,400
move on to some roswell stuff and some

1430
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,640
other things but this is fascinating i

1431
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,880
thank you so much okay folks stick

1432
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:52,800
around we got more fun stuff coming for

1433
00:54:01,750 --> 00:53:59,349
welcome back everyone to the california

1434
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,760
mufon radio show i'm your host lorian

1435
00:54:06,069 --> 00:54:04,000
fenton oh my god what a wild show we're

1436
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,079
having tonight here you guys if this is

1437
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,480
true if the chemtrails are disappearing

1438
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:10,800
because of the trumpy uh

1439
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,440
the trumpy paris uh pullout that's what

1440
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:15,040
i'm gonna call it the trump paris pull

1441
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:17,440
out i think it's gonna be a very

1442
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,680
interesting uh next couple of weeks

1443
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,240
because if jim ludwig is truly breaking

1444
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:24,240
some news that no one's heard before no

1445
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,319
one's thought of before no one's been

1446
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:28,079
following this is just going to be

1447
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:30,559
absolutely amazing and

1448
00:54:35,430 --> 00:54:32,880
i do hope we can get it over on coast to

1449
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,440
coast at some point um maybe i'll tell

1450
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,359
you what jim i'll get a hold of tom and

1451
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:39,280
if this starts to break out as something

1452
00:54:42,790 --> 00:54:40,960
really amazing maybe you should go on

1453
00:54:44,790 --> 00:54:42,800
there for five or ten minutes and tell

1454
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:44,800
the people about it that's that's fine

1455
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,119
that's fine i mean uh

1456
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,119
the greatest part is there's no major

1457
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,119
secret all we need to do is look up and

1458
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:53,200
it's like you're like your staff is

1459
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:56,319
saying your your your producer's saying

1460
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,400
um

1461
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:01,200
your producers located whereabouts

1462
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,680
i think it's uh minnesota okay so

1463
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:05,520
minnesota doesn't have chemtrails right

1464
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,240
now we know northern california around

1465
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,079
the bay area doesn't have chemtrails

1466
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,559
right now so the question is

1467
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:14,160
what's up

1468
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,800
or what's not up what's down what yeah

1469
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:18,720
what isn't happening yeah it's really

1470
00:55:22,870 --> 00:55:20,400
cool you know what i'm going to ask as

1471
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:22,880
my buddies in chat that's durham and max

1472
00:55:28,230 --> 00:55:26,160
and sky 33 i see i'm looking at her i'm

1473
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,240
looking at the chat room right now yeah

1474
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,079
i've got i've got about eight people in

1475
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,640
there so i'm hoping that uh you guys in

1476
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:34,319
there tell me if you've seen any

1477
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,040
chemtrails lately uh just let us know

1478
00:55:41,349 --> 00:55:39,359
this is a very very interesting

1479
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:41,359
situation that jim has brought to the

1480
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:44,079
fore you know like i said jim last year

1481
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:45,839
i was pretty convinced it was because of

1482
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:48,000
bohemian grove and i thought it was just

1483
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,359
localized

1484
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,319
and uh you know and maybe last year it

1485
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,640
was only localized because of bohemian

1486
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:57,040
grove which you know like i said starts

1487
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:58,559
about the middle is starting this

1488
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:59,680
saturday

1489
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,839
uh coming up oh by the way it's supposed

1490
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,000
to be the protest outside the gates at 9

1491
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:06,559
00 a.m on saturday doubt i'll make it

1492
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:08,319
but

1493
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,839
that's always one of the most

1494
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,640
interesting protests in the bay area is

1495
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:14,960
the bohemian grove

1496
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,280
protests because you get wow do you get

1497
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:19,040
a lot of people there it's it's really

1498
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:20,079
quite

1499
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,530
it's more like a zoo

1500
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:24,799
[Music]

1501
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,480
well it's interesting because you know i

1502
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,400
mean the president's got a lot of issues

1503
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:30,480
going on the family members and this and

1504
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:31,280
that

1505
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,640
and i'm not pro-him i'm not ant i'm just

1506
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:37,200
i mean anti-all of them but that being

1507
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,359
said the reality is i don't know if he

1508
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:42,319
could turn this around specifically and

1509
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:44,400
make it a positive to sort of offset a

1510
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,440
lot of his

1511
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,520
not as positive stuff that's going on

1512
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,200
right yeah but you know what's

1513
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:51,520
interesting about him is i think he's

1514
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,359
doing a lot of stuff behind the scenes

1515
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,359
like i was saying earlier and i really

1516
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,680
believe that he doesn't even care if he

1517
00:57:02,309 --> 00:56:59,920
has the credit for it i think he's so

1518
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,319
angry about the way that they have been

1519
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,079
running this country

1520
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:06,319
that you know deep inside he could care

1521
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,559
a lot you know he doesn't need the the

1522
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,440
slap on the back the guys you know he's

1523
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,440
already done his thing now he's just

1524
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:15,280
trying to fix things a little bit i

1525
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:16,079
think

1526
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,920
and you know i do hope that's his

1527
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:19,520
attitude you know

1528
00:57:22,710 --> 00:57:20,640
um

1529
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:22,720
from what i understand he's actually a

1530
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,359
pretty down-to-earth guy in spite of uh

1531
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,119
you know what people say about him and i

1532
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:29,040
can tell you why i think he is pretty

1533
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:29,920
nice

1534
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,640
is because i did watch one of his

1535
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:35,359
episodes where he went into his hotel

1536
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:38,720
and did the housekeeper job the bellhop

1537
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:41,359
job and did a bunch of you know the

1538
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:43,920
behind the desk when you check-in job

1539
00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:46,400
you know the concierge and those type of

1540
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:48,480
things and um

1541
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:51,040
he was actually very pleasant to people

1542
00:57:56,789 --> 00:57:53,520
and he was joking around with this uh

1543
00:57:59,109 --> 00:57:56,799
kind of uh this black maid

1544
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,119
and it was just i mean i thought he was

1545
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,520
pretty cool you know i just i really

1546
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,280
thought you know i can deal with him i

1547
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,760
could tell he'd be very tough but hey

1548
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,000
you know he he just wants his hotel to

1549
00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:10,319
be in you know tip-top condition right

1550
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,359
right and

1551
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,359
you know so there you go that i thought

1552
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,680
it was wonderful but hey what do i know

1553
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,240
i have a great appreciation for people

1554
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:20,319
that are successful in business i really

1555
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,480
do and i've always said

1556
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,640
get a businessman in office and things

1557
00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:26,079
will change in this country in a

1558
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,200
heartbeat

1559
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:29,280
exactly you know in your chat room i'm

1560
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:31,040
just looking at the chat room and you

1561
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:32,240
have carol

1562
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:34,240
who's just put on

1563
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:37,040
oh yeah now you can't answer that yet

1564
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,480
because i'm not answering i'm not

1565
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,480
touching anything no no no i'm just

1566
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:42,720
saying could i say what she said is that

1567
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,559
okay uh what did she say take a look

1568
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:48,960
you're looking at the chat room

1569
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,200
oh yeah yeah yeah oh i thought there was

1570
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,640
a question because it was all oh it's

1571
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,400
not a question it's more of a statement

1572
00:58:58,390 --> 00:58:55,599
yes yes

1573
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:58,400
from los angeles basin area los angeles

1574
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:01,680
of all places no tic-tac-toe for the

1575
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:05,680
last few weeks

1576
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:08,079
big time trails in april however well

1577
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:10,640
yeah but we were in the accord in april

1578
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:13,040
yes that's true oh carol that's

1579
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:15,040
interesting news so what you just

1580
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,240
started now we go viral it goes viral

1581
00:59:22,069 --> 00:59:20,160
it's going to do it on its own i mean

1582
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:22,079
yeah this is really

1583
00:59:25,750 --> 00:59:23,839
you know for me with not really

1584
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,760
particularly caring for the chemtrails

1585
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,599
though probably whoever whoever is

1586
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:29,440
behind the chemtrails will tell us how

1587
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,079
much we need them but the reality is my

1588
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:33,920
heart soars

1589
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:36,000
seeing that the chemtrails may have gone

1590
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,520
away i mean

1591
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:38,960
you know i

1592
00:59:43,829 --> 00:59:41,680
it's just that for 15 years i've been

1593
00:59:45,430 --> 00:59:43,839
saying look up look up look up and

1594
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:45,440
everybody's looking at me like i'm a

1595
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:49,040
total whack job and i'm not oh i know

1596
00:59:52,470 --> 00:59:51,040
i got i stopped doing it too because i

1597
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,480
just figured you know i'm tired of

1598
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,720
people just thinking i'm crazy you know

1599
00:59:58,630 --> 00:59:56,480
i just said you know what

1600
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:58,640
if they all i hide inside during the day

1601
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,319
when i see a chemtrail outside i'm

1602
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:03,839
inside with all my doors closed

1603
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:05,760
so hopefully i've never breathed in that

1604
01:00:10,069 --> 01:00:07,440
stuff but you never know apparently it

1605
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,079
sits around on the ground and and you

1606
01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:12,160
know eventually air conditioning systems

1607
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:14,960
and everything so in a way this is this

1608
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:17,839
is probably next to a ufo disclosure i

1609
01:00:22,390 --> 01:00:20,319
mean a real ufo disclosure which we

1610
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:22,400
apparently will never have but anyway

1611
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:25,359
this is probably the second or third

1612
01:00:28,789 --> 01:00:26,319
biggest

1613
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,799
things to come forward

1614
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:30,480
of its own not because it was on the

1615
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:32,960
front page of the new york times

1616
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,359
yeah yeah i know exactly this is

1617
01:00:39,750 --> 01:00:37,119
wonderful so thank you for sharing that

1618
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,760
with us tonight and yeah i'm just gonna

1619
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:41,119
i'm gonna do what i do and we'll see

1620
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,040
what happens with it and get the story

1621
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:44,960
out there and i'll text uh

1622
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,040
tom danheiser and george nori and let

1623
01:00:51,589 --> 01:00:49,440
them know that this has happened and you

1624
01:00:54,230 --> 01:00:51,599
know we'll do our best i can even i'm

1625
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,240
actually hoping to be with george knapp

1626
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:57,040
uh next week so maybe i'll get it to him

1627
01:01:00,630 --> 01:00:58,960
first i don't know we'll see we'll we'll

1628
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,640
figure it out we'll get it out there for

1629
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:01,920
you okay

1630
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:03,920
you get it out for you get it out for

1631
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:09,750
they'll be calling you for the

1632
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,880
interviews though because i don't want

1633
01:01:15,589 --> 01:01:12,240
to do what's it what's there to

1634
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:15,599
interview i i looked up

1635
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:17,839
well that's all you have to say

1636
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,000
paris accord instead of the school and

1637
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,640
the kids which is you know

1638
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:24,480
you know bs

1639
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,750
okay well now that we've exhausted uh

1640
01:01:35,510 --> 01:01:33,440
the the skies

1641
01:01:38,710 --> 01:01:35,520
let's move on to roswell because you

1642
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,720
know as we all know this is i love the

1643
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,960
summer there's so much to do

1644
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:42,960
driving my new volkswagen jetta to the

1645
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:45,520
lake driving it to the beach driving it

1646
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:48,079
home after a weekend at the beach see i

1647
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,599
got a great deal from my local

1648
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,599
volkswagen dealer and with available

1649
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,680
features like adaptive cruise control

1650
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:55,440
blind spot monitor and rear traffic

1651
01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:58,480
alert this jetta is all about confidence

1652
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:59,520
i think i'll drive it up to the

1653
01:02:03,910 --> 01:02:01,440
mountains this weekend i might even go

1654
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:03,920
hiking if i have time test drive the

1655
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:05,599
volkswagen jetta this summer at your

1656
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:07,839
local volkswagen dealer

1657
01:02:13,030 --> 01:02:10,960
70th year and it was just a couple days

1658
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:13,040
ago that it was the actual day it

1659
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:14,799
happened i think it was the eighth or

1660
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:17,280
isn't that ufo world ufo day the eighth

1661
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:18,559
isn't it

1662
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:22,240
it crashed so um yeah so we're just a

1663
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:24,400
couple days beyond that so what did you

1664
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,200
do for world ufo day in roswell day as i

1665
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,200
call it and uh

1666
01:02:33,030 --> 01:02:31,359
and you have an interesting take on

1667
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:33,040
roswell so do you want to just talk

1668
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,160
about how you feel about roswell

1669
01:02:39,990 --> 01:02:38,160
right well you know what did i do what

1670
01:02:41,750 --> 01:02:40,000
did i do in the 8th uh i don't know i

1671
01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:41,760
think i had a picnic or something like

1672
01:02:47,030 --> 01:02:44,079
that but and i was reading stephen

1673
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:47,040
bassett's paradigm research groups

1674
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:50,079
yes that was interesting wasn't it yeah

1675
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:51,440
yes yes

1676
01:02:56,950 --> 01:02:54,319
um and he's off to london so he'll be

1677
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:56,960
working the international paradigm

1678
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:59,280
research group or sorry to say paradigm

1679
01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:01,440
research group international

1680
01:03:05,670 --> 01:03:03,040
correct right right

1681
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:05,680
so going back to roswell first of all

1682
01:03:09,510 --> 01:03:07,520
here's something that's interesting i'm

1683
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:09,520
gonna do the i'm gonna do the cart

1684
01:03:12,309 --> 01:03:11,119
before the horse

1685
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:12,319
okay

1686
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:13,520
roswell

1687
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:16,480
if it can be categorically proved that

1688
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:18,960
the roswell crash did happen

1689
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:21,960
then a cascading series of remarkable

1690
01:03:26,549 --> 01:03:24,720
possibilities would become

1691
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,559
certainties

1692
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:28,400
first it would mean that there is an

1693
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:31,280
intel intelligent life on other planets

1694
01:03:37,589 --> 01:03:34,720
with technology greater than ours

1695
01:03:40,390 --> 01:03:37,599
then the 70-year cover-up would imply

1696
01:03:42,390 --> 01:03:40,400
the existence of a shadow government

1697
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:42,400
that continues in power from

1698
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:45,359
administration to administration

1699
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:48,319
otherwise how could the fraud continue

1700
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:52,079
to be perpetrated so expertly

1701
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:55,280
this in turn means that our democracy

1702
01:03:58,309 --> 01:03:56,799
is an illusion

1703
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,319
and that we really live in some

1704
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,319
oligarchy

1705
01:04:05,270 --> 01:04:02,480
then it would mean that we have most

1706
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,280
certainly gained extraordinary knowledge

1707
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:07,680
about our place in the universe that has

1708
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,160
not been shared with the public that

1709
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,039
could possibly revolutionize our life

1710
01:04:18,870 --> 01:04:16,160
here on earth

1711
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:18,880
this would all be colossal these will

1712
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:21,920
all be colossal developments and they

1713
01:04:26,470 --> 01:04:22,799
all

1714
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,480
hinge on the reality of roswell

1715
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:28,400
that's so true

1716
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,799
you know every time i hear you say that

1717
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:32,480
and you've said it i've heard it a bunch

1718
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:35,039
of times because i come to all of your

1719
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:36,799
except i didn't make it up to sacramento

1720
01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:39,359
this last month because i was busy but

1721
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,280
uh i tried to get to all of your

1722
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:43,280
presentations even if i've seen him once

1723
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:44,799
twice or three times and i'll tell you

1724
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:47,440
why folks when jim has a presentation he

1725
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:49,200
is thoroughly thought it out he

1726
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,760
thoroughly goes deep into as much as he

1727
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:53,039
can

1728
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:57,200
and he has some very interesting

1729
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,440
insights on the roswell crash it's not

1730
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:01,440
necessarily whether there were bodies in

1731
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:03,200
the ships or not or whether the ships

1732
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:05,599
were balloons or you know all that he

1733
01:05:09,910 --> 01:05:07,839
has a different insight so anyhow why

1734
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:09,920
don't you go on with your your wa your

1735
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:12,480
roswell um what i call jim's

1736
01:05:19,589 --> 01:05:15,280
interpretation of roswell right

1737
01:05:22,390 --> 01:05:19,599
well i think my my opinion is that

1738
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:22,400
we had disclosure

1739
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:25,680
uh on july 8 1947

1740
01:05:31,670 --> 01:05:30,160
and i agree yes and i believe that

1741
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:31,680
that

1742
01:05:37,029 --> 01:05:35,680
disclosure was done by colonel william

1743
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:37,039
blanchard

1744
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:42,880
he's deceased now

1745
01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:43,680
he

1746
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:48,400
bomber group

1747
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:54,799
the only atomic bomb equipped

1748
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:57,599
bomber squadron on the planet they're

1749
01:06:04,150 --> 01:05:58,880
also

1750
01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:04,160
aircraft from that squadron or that

1751
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:07,359
group that bombed uh

1752
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:09,920
hiroshima and nagasaki

1753
01:06:13,750 --> 01:06:12,720
in 1945

1754
01:06:15,910 --> 01:06:13,760
and

1755
01:06:17,349 --> 01:06:15,920
what people don't know is colonel

1756
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:17,359
blanchard

1757
01:06:22,309 --> 01:06:18,880
is an aviator

1758
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,319
was an aviator and was

1759
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:23,760
um

1760
01:06:30,470 --> 01:06:27,599
an instructor he instructed

1761
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:30,480
pilots to fly and to you know go on do

1762
01:06:36,309 --> 01:06:33,839
missions in 1944 he supervised detail

1763
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,319
ops orders for the delivery of the first

1764
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:38,640
atomic bomb in hiroshima

1765
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:40,960
and in 1945

1766
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,039
he was the backup pilot for dropping the

1767
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,760
atomic bomb from the enola gay on

1768
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:47,119
hiroshima

1769
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:49,280
now here's the interesting part

1770
01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,440
rumor has it so this isn't everything

1771
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:53,200
i'm telling you now to this point is

1772
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:55,119
factual you can find it on the internet

1773
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:56,480
no big deal

1774
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,880
right um but

1775
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:00,559
he probably

1776
01:07:06,710 --> 01:07:04,799
the pilot

1777
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:06,720
because that was a big deal i mean now i

1778
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:08,319
wouldn't be so proud about killing so

1779
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:09,520
many people

1780
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,319
but in 1945

1781
01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:14,400
you know you could be the person that

1782
01:07:18,870 --> 01:07:15,920
ends the war

1783
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,880
that's the war yeah the war of wars you

1784
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:21,359
could have been the hero of heroes

1785
01:07:26,069 --> 01:07:23,920
and they made him a backup pilot and the

1786
01:07:28,150 --> 01:07:26,079
colonel tibbetts did become the pilot

1787
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:28,160
and had a horrible life after it because

1788
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:30,559
he probably had all kinds of guilt and

1789
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:33,920
etc and so forth in his life post being

1790
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:37,440
in the military so our colonel william

1791
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:39,039
blanchard

1792
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:41,599
uh didn't become the pilot so he didn't

1793
01:07:44,710 --> 01:07:43,039
do the mission

1794
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:44,720
but he still is the base commander of

1795
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,960
the 509th so in 1947

1796
01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:50,160
he has

1797
01:07:53,589 --> 01:07:50,960
his

1798
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,599
intelligence officer

1799
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:55,520
major jesse marcel

1800
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,520
who we got to give some credit to

1801
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:00,240
stanton friedman

1802
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:03,200
yeah stanton in 1978

1803
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:04,960
went and found

1804
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:08,480
jesse marcel down in louisiana

1805
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:10,960
and not only interviewed him i think

1806
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:13,280
multiple times but he also got him to

1807
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:15,520
come out i guess and do some actually

1808
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,279
he's on film on youtube you can go to

1809
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:19,679
jesse marcel yeah that's right you could

1810
01:08:25,349 --> 01:08:22,480
see him in like 1980 or 1982 and i think

1811
01:08:26,309 --> 01:08:25,359
he died in 84 or something like that but

1812
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,319
um

1813
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:27,600
basically

1814
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,040
uh marcel

1815
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,199
you went out to the the ranch

1816
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,880
and there was

1817
01:08:36,550 --> 01:08:34,960
i believe i believe i'm not saying had

1818
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:36,560
to be adults believes i believe it was

1819
01:08:42,950 --> 01:08:40,319
one craft impacting the ground

1820
01:08:45,269 --> 01:08:42,960
taking off and then crashing again and

1821
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:45,279
that's where the main craft was but a

1822
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:47,120
lot of the debris in the three-quarter

1823
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:48,799
mile gouge

1824
01:08:53,110 --> 01:08:51,120
at the brazil ranch

1825
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,120
was uh

1826
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:55,600
debris and so it was the a lot of the

1827
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:57,120
debris or some of the debris was brought

1828
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,080
back by uh jesse marcel

1829
01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:02,239
and of course that was then probably the

1830
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:06,400
night of july 7th on july 8th

1831
01:09:12,390 --> 01:09:09,679
um he goes back he stops at his house

1832
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:12,400
and shows his wife and kid that some of

1833
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:14,640
the debris and the memory medal and you

1834
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:16,719
know it's jesse marcel jr anyway i'm

1835
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:19,120
gonna fast forward now to do the story

1836
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:20,880
so he then

1837
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:24,000
gets lieutenant walter howe

1838
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:25,920
his public information officer to come

1839
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:30,319
to his office in the morning of july 8th

1840
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,120
and ha and dictates to him

1841
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,279
and by the way you can go to youtube and

1842
01:09:40,189 --> 01:09:37,920
see an interview with walter howe

1843
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:40,199
lieutenant walter howe

1844
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:41,759
h-a-u-t-e

1845
01:09:46,470 --> 01:09:43,920
the public information officer

1846
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:46,480
saying what he did and also you can see

1847
01:09:50,870 --> 01:09:48,480
colonel mark jesse marcel

1848
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:50,880
saying saying what he did and saying the

1849
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,279
debris was and he says this in 1980 i

1850
01:09:57,110 --> 01:09:55,600
guess there wasn't of this earth

1851
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,120
and he was he says i'm the intelligent i

1852
01:10:03,910 --> 01:09:59,360
was the intelligence officer for the

1853
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:03,920
only uh atomic bomb group on the planet

1854
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:05,600
and i knew almost everything that was

1855
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:06,640
flying

1856
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:10,080
and so this was not he says this craft

1857
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,159
was not of this earth and he says it

1858
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:14,560
right on youtube it's no big secret

1859
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,320
but colonel uh blanchard in the meantime

1860
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:20,239
has this stuff

1861
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,480
so instead of probably now this is me

1862
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:24,800
now saying this part right now

1863
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,280
is ufo jim saying it

1864
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:29,360
the colonel goes oh my god i got the

1865
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:31,520
greatest story i guess i can be famous

1866
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,440
even more than i could have been in

1867
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:35,840
1945.

1868
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:38,159
now i'm the only person that could say

1869
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:40,400
we've got a ufo

1870
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:43,280
so he kind of in a way

1871
01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:46,159
in my opinion went rogue

1872
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,560
yeah and he went and released this then

1873
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,320
there's all kinds of stories no you know

1874
01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:52,000
general raymie came from the eighth air

1875
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:54,320
force flying back and forth but here is

1876
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:57,199
a very interesting part which is on

1877
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:58,640
record

1878
01:11:01,110 --> 01:11:00,080
he went on

1879
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:01,120
you know

1880
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,640
the interesting part about this is

1881
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,719
didn't he do all this before rainey got

1882
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,960
involved didn't raymie like blow a fuse

1883
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:08,800
after it happened and then he started of

1884
01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:10,880
course i mean you know you and i know

1885
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:12,159
and then probably everybody listening

1886
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:14,239
knows that's what happened he blew a

1887
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,440
fuse

1888
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:17,520
they make it sound like he was part of

1889
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:18,719
it

1890
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:30,159
was the pentagon they were really p.o'd

1891
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,080
i mean p.o

1892
01:11:37,830 --> 01:11:34,480
and guess what

1893
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,840
colonel blanchard went on a three-week

1894
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:39,679
vacation

1895
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:41,760
that day

1896
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,320
yeah i do you know that's the part when

1897
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:45,840
i first

1898
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:48,320
dove into the roswell incident with all

1899
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,159
the books that were out there it was

1900
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:52,880
only mentioned once in one book about

1901
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:54,960
that vacation do you know that

1902
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,199
oh yeah they probably were upset that

1903
01:12:01,990 --> 01:11:59,120
that even showed once somewhere but now

1904
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:02,000
it's all over the place so he goes now

1905
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,080
the story is he really didn't go

1906
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:06,560
anywhere he really was managing the

1907
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,960
debris field at the other site where the

1908
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,480
craft was

1909
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:12,239
um oh no

1910
01:12:16,470 --> 01:12:14,000
no wait wait wait you found out that he

1911
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:16,480
really never did go on a vacation or was

1912
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,600
it kind of

1913
01:12:20,830 --> 01:12:18,960
if you track

1914
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:20,840
his whereabouts and there were

1915
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,719
whereabouts and uh you

1916
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:26,480
you basically

1917
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:27,440
uh

1918
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,159
albuquerque

1919
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:34,239
and there was air force day

1920
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:35,760
and he was

1921
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,199
dealing with the base commander i think

1922
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:38,960
of kirtland air force base

1923
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:41,440
and he was there for that ceremony then

1924
01:12:44,870 --> 01:12:42,880
he somehow or another and he stayed

1925
01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:44,880
around that area and then he went up to

1926
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:46,880
i believe was colorado

1927
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:49,840
or something like that so they

1928
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,960
going

1929
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:52,800
a few different places

1930
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:54,640
and uh

1931
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:57,280
i find it really really interesting that

1932
01:13:00,229 --> 01:12:58,640
um

1933
01:13:01,510 --> 01:13:00,239
no one ever talks about this man not

1934
01:13:05,189 --> 01:13:01,520
being around

1935
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:05,199
and so when you look at the interview

1936
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:08,719
with um walter howe public information

1937
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:10,640
officer on

1938
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:13,120
youtube thank you youtube

1939
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:17,280
he says oh we loaded we had a c54

1940
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,000
uh uh aircraft

1941
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:22,159
and we had these boxes with some of the

1942
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:23,520
debris in it

1943
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:24,719
and

1944
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,560
the they loaded a box onto the c-54

1945
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:30,719
but the material never went

1946
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,560
to fort worth that's where the aircraft

1947
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:34,320
was going to it was going to general

1948
01:13:37,830 --> 01:13:35,679
raymond's for the infamous press

1949
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:37,840
conference of which okay

1950
01:13:40,790 --> 01:13:39,760
jesse marcel

1951
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:40,800
um

1952
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:42,320
you know was the stooge you know where

1953
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:43,520
they had him

1954
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:46,080
you know right and then of course we all

1955
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:48,800
know about the letter being uh digitally

1956
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:51,600
enhanced in what the late 90s

1957
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,440
right that we actually could read that

1958
01:13:59,430 --> 01:13:55,760
they had said this is you know we've got

1959
01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:59,440
to cover up this thing with a balloon so

1960
01:14:03,350 --> 01:14:01,840
right yeah anyhow it gets it gets even

1961
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:03,360
more interesting

1962
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:04,960
here's what gets here's where it gets

1963
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,030
in the

1964
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:11,920
roswell daily record which is one of the

1965
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:14,480
by the way colonel blanchard had uh

1966
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:17,120
lieutenant house go to two

1967
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:21,199
newspapers in roswell and two radio

1968
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:23,360
stations

1969
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:26,560
one of the newspapers was the roswell

1970
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:29,120
daily record okay

1971
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,880
okay

1972
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:32,560
this is mind-blowing

1973
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:35,280
on the front page and i bought this at

1974
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:38,239
the ufo congress

1975
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:43,350
it was in february when we had that down

1976
01:14:47,750 --> 01:14:46,320
in fountain hills

1977
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:47,760
oh yeah

1978
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,239
well the grandchildren of the roswell

1979
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,080
daily record were there

1980
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:54,320
in the vendor really yeah they were

1981
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,440
selling them like five dollars a pop

1982
01:15:01,189 --> 01:15:00,159
so i bought a couple of pops

1983
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:01,199
and

1984
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:06,239
general raymie empties roswell's saucer

1985
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:08,000
which basically said you know nah nah

1986
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,960
nah it's a weather balloon and but on

1987
01:15:14,229 --> 01:15:12,560
the bot so we're standing there and i'm

1988
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,239
talking to the kids

1989
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:15,920
and this guy comes walking up and he

1990
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:17,360
says

1991
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,040
did you ever see

1992
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,040
the article on the front page on the

1993
01:15:25,990 --> 01:15:23,760
ninth at the bottom of the front page

1994
01:15:27,990 --> 01:15:26,000
and we we have it there so we look at it

1995
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:28,000
and it says

1996
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:31,840
patch visits president

1997
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:34,960
says it says washington july 9th

1998
01:15:42,870 --> 01:15:39,280
ap that's associated press

1999
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:42,880
carl a hatch democrat new mexico paid

2000
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:45,520
president truman a call at the white

2001
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:48,400
house he said afterward it was just a

2002
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:50,239
personal visit

2003
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:00,719
happen often oh i had nothing to do i

2004
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:02,159
just sort of stopped by and what a

2005
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:05,600
coincidence it was just hours after

2006
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:08,640
the discovery or the announcement by

2007
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:11,520
colonel blanchard oh my god i think what

2008
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,880
happened was the president said oh

2009
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:16,880
the senator's here

2010
01:16:21,510 --> 01:16:18,840
haven't come to the white house and they

2011
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,520
probably explain to him how he needs to

2012
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:24,239
handle the press

2013
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:29,120
oh my god oh my god that is such a tell

2014
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:35,270
i'm sorry but you know what in this day

2015
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:36,880
and age if that had happened there would

2016
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:39,520
be fake news supposedly all over that

2017
01:16:44,310 --> 01:16:42,159
one like hot glue you know

2018
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,320
it would be like it would be plastered

2019
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:46,239
everywhere you know

2020
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:49,920
it it absolutely blows my mind but it's

2021
01:16:55,750 --> 01:16:53,199
so easy it's so that's the problem why

2022
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:55,760
is it so easy i mean i'm not saying this

2023
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:57,520
is the way it went down i'm not saying

2024
01:17:02,149 --> 01:16:59,679
but i will say this that we do have

2025
01:17:04,470 --> 01:17:02,159
witnesses who have through kevin randle

2026
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,480
we have one by the name of little who

2027
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:06,080
worked for the atomic energy commission

2028
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:08,000
he worked on the on the manhattan

2029
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,360
project and he was a colonel

2030
01:17:17,110 --> 01:17:13,840
at elmendorf air force base along with

2031
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:17,120
now general blanchard general blanchard

2032
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:19,760
1953 so now it's

2033
01:17:24,870 --> 01:17:22,239
six years fast forward later yeah six

2034
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,880
years later he is going they're both in

2035
01:17:28,070 --> 01:17:26,719
elmendorf air force base and i guess

2036
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:28,080
they were buddies

2037
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:32,239
and um the colonel says to the general

2038
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:36,159
uh my wife's having having our child in

2039
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,600
in chicago

2040
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:39,360
and i i can't get there and i want i

2041
01:17:42,229 --> 01:17:40,960
would love to be there for the birth of

2042
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,239
my child

2043
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,480
and so the the general said german

2044
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,400
general blanchard he said well you know

2045
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,560
what i'll fly you there

2046
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:50,800
because he was you know not only a pilot

2047
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:52,320
but he was probably

2048
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:54,960
uh one of the commanders of the base

2049
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:56,960
right now yeah by now it's the u.s air

2050
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:59,199
force and so

2051
01:18:01,350 --> 01:18:00,159
he

2052
01:18:04,630 --> 01:18:01,360
uh

2053
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:04,640
is flying him to he said i can fly you

2054
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:07,360
to a base near chicago

2055
01:18:12,310 --> 01:18:09,440
but i can't take you to chicago and so

2056
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,320
the colonel said no problem general uh

2057
01:18:15,990 --> 01:18:13,920
i'll get a cab

2058
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:16,000
i'll get there if i can get that close

2059
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:18,560
so the general is flying i'm so i guess

2060
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,640
you know the colonel was sitting in the

2061
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:22,480
right-hand seat or something in the

2062
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:23,520
cockpit

2063
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:24,960
and he said to the j he asked the

2064
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,199
general he said so what was the real

2065
01:18:33,750 --> 01:18:30,480
story about that ufo stuff in roswell

2066
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:33,760
and he said oh yes it was a real craft

2067
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:36,719
and uh little and randall whatever they

2068
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:38,239
asked

2069
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:40,800
did he say it was a it was a ufo an

2070
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:43,440
extraterrestrial crap and his response

2071
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:45,760
immediately was absolutely

2072
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:46,719
he said

2073
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:48,480
one craft

2074
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:54,239
craft and four bodies

2075
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:55,280
wow

2076
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:57,440
craft and poor bodies

2077
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:01,280
wow so he admitted it to him he did

2078
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:03,120
and that is

2079
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:05,679
available on the internet for eating

2080
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,520
we can all do this at home

2081
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:09,840
and they say no don't do it at home it's

2082
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:11,440
you need to be a professional no you

2083
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:13,600
don't need a professional if you really

2084
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:15,360
want to check it out just

2085
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:17,760
investigate it and check out what i say

2086
01:19:20,950 --> 01:19:19,840
just investigate it i mean it's it's

2087
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:20,960
easy

2088
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:23,040
now i'm not saying that's exactly how it

2089
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:24,719
really went down because there's some

2090
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:26,880
parts as i've represented about colonel

2091
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:29,840
blanchard initially wanting the fame

2092
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:31,679
of being famous

2093
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:33,679
i'm used to using common sense but

2094
01:19:37,750 --> 01:19:35,280
interestingly enough

2095
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:37,760
the colonel

2096
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:40,480
became a four-star general

2097
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:41,440
and

2098
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:43,840
uh he becomes the vice chief of staff of

2099
01:19:49,030 --> 01:19:45,280
the air force

2100
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:49,040
and becomes four-star general in 1965.

2101
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:50,960
he's at the pentagon

2102
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:53,520
okay we gotta stop right there and

2103
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:55,440
remember we're at the pentagon he

2104
01:19:59,830 --> 01:19:57,840
becomes a four-star general we're taking

2105
01:20:01,669 --> 01:19:59,840
our last break and we'll be back because

2106
01:20:03,590 --> 01:20:01,679
i'll remember that he's at the pentagon

2107
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:03,600
he got his four stars and i want to know

2108
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:05,199
what happens next

2109
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:06,800
all right folks stick with us we'll be

2110
01:20:15,430 --> 01:20:13,189
welcome back everyone to the california

2111
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,440
mufon radio show i'm your host lori

2112
01:20:20,630 --> 01:20:17,280
infested i'm here tonight with my buddy

2113
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,640
ufo jim leadwith jim how can they find

2114
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,800
you on the internet we forgot to do that

2115
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:24,320
we got to make sure that they can get to

2116
01:20:27,910 --> 01:20:26,480
your website thank you for asking

2117
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:27,920
because if not we probably have gone

2118
01:20:32,070 --> 01:20:29,440
through the two hours and i never would

2119
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:32,080
have said a thing but anyway there's two

2120
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:34,000
different sites they go to the same

2121
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:34,880
place

2122
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:37,679
one is simpler it's ufogym

2123
01:20:43,910 --> 01:20:39,440
sonoma.com

2124
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:43,920
ufo gm sonoma s o n o m a

2125
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:46,960
dot com ufo gym sonoma or

2126
01:20:52,709 --> 01:20:51,440
ufos a real.com u f o s

2127
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,719
double r

2128
01:20:56,229 --> 01:20:54,239
e a l

2129
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:56,239
dot com

2130
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:57,120
cool

2131
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:00,000
i love it okay so now that people can

2132
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:01,840
find you there and if they're in

2133
01:21:06,790 --> 01:21:03,920
northern california you pretty much

2134
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:06,800
speak at the sonoma mufon meetings my

2135
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:10,239
mufon meetings you're at my conferences

2136
01:21:14,709 --> 01:21:12,400
you're at the sonoma international film

2137
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:14,719
festival you have your

2138
01:21:19,910 --> 01:21:17,520
classes in october if any of you guys

2139
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:19,920
are around in october it's a great month

2140
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:21,840
in the wine country

2141
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,320
a lot of harvesting going on and the

2142
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:26,560
nouveau wines are out and so you could

2143
01:21:31,110 --> 01:21:28,560
just make a night or a day of it or

2144
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:31,120
whatever and come on down do your wine

2145
01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:33,920
and cheese and then end up at the ufo

2146
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:36,320
gyms place and maybe you know crash out

2147
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,239
at a hotel that night and head on home

2148
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:40,320
the next day so that's right it's all

2149
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:42,800
yeah i mean if you're if you're gonna do

2150
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:45,280
if you're gonna do ufology you gotta do

2151
01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:48,960
it right folks i always do i get a hotel

2152
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:51,280
i hang out i have a good time i go to

2153
01:21:55,910 --> 01:21:54,239
dinner i i i just don't do this like oh

2154
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:55,920
god i gotta go find the information and

2155
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:57,760
then run around and drive home i mean

2156
01:22:03,030 --> 01:21:59,920
it's like really make a day of it make

2157
01:22:04,790 --> 01:22:03,040
it a thing because if you're having fun

2158
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,800
and it makes sense to you and it's

2159
01:22:08,629 --> 01:22:06,880
answering questions for you

2160
01:22:10,629 --> 01:22:08,639
you know it's better that you're calm

2161
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:10,639
and happy and have some wine and cheese

2162
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:11,600
right

2163
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:16,719
i think we're doing it on monday nights

2164
01:22:23,910 --> 01:22:21,199
october 16th i believe it is and

2165
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:23,920
23rd it's on my calendar which is on my

2166
01:22:28,629 --> 01:22:26,000
website okay

2167
01:22:31,590 --> 01:22:28,639
it is on there yes excellent okay so

2168
01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:31,600
monday night huh what time does it start

2169
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:33,199
7 p.m

2170
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:35,040
okay i'm going to be late because i've

2171
01:22:39,910 --> 01:22:37,040
got to get i'm going to do my radio show

2172
01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:39,920
from five to seven but i will be there i

2173
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:42,400
promise okay all right so now we're

2174
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:44,480
we're talking about the general who

2175
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,320
becomes a general and he heads off to

2176
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,400
the pentagon now what happened at that

2177
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:49,920
point

2178
01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,719
well

2179
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,639
so here he's at the pentagon

2180
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:54,320
and

2181
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,360
um

2182
01:23:00,550 --> 01:22:57,760
the history basically is

2183
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:00,560
in 1957 he became the commander of

2184
01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:02,400
strategic air command's

2185
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:04,639
seventh air division

2186
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:08,960
in february of 1965

2187
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:11,360
general blanchard became vice chief of

2188
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:13,840
staff united states air force with

2189
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:16,239
promotion to four-star rank as we just

2190
01:23:21,669 --> 01:23:17,280
said

2191
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:21,679
right and on may 31st 1966

2192
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:23,679
butch dies at the pentagon of a heart

2193
01:23:27,030 --> 01:23:25,120
attack

2194
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:27,040
now

2195
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:28,480
maybe he did

2196
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:33,040
there's another side to the story maybe

2197
01:23:37,750 --> 01:23:36,159
another story maybe butch

2198
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,760
liked to talk a lot

2199
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,120
or something

2200
01:23:44,070 --> 01:23:41,679
and let's say okay

2201
01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:44,080
he's at the officers club at the

2202
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,159
pentagon

2203
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:48,800
and you know it's after work

2204
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:51,360
he's having a good time he's talking

2205
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:53,679
like he did to little

2206
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,880
you know on board that aircraft in 1953

2207
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:58,480
and maybe they asked him what happened

2208
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:00,800
in roswell general

2209
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:03,040
you know blah blah blah and i think boy

2210
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:05,600
he's just doing too much talking

2211
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,719
so maybe it was an inconvenient truth or

2212
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,159
who knows what

2213
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:12,159
uh i'm not saying they did something to

2214
01:24:16,070 --> 01:24:12,960
him

2215
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:16,080
but uh i i would i would put money on it

2216
01:24:21,910 --> 01:24:18,880
probably wasn't an autopsy

2217
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:21,920
oh now that's interesting now did how

2218
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:23,760
old was he when he died

2219
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:26,400
wasn't very old he was like uh

2220
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:30,080
he was born in 1960 he was 50 years old

2221
01:24:33,750 --> 01:24:31,600
well that's pretty young for a heart

2222
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,760
attack but it's been it's happened but

2223
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:35,760
you know of course it happened and we do

2224
01:24:40,470 --> 01:24:38,159
have to remember it was back then when

2225
01:24:41,830 --> 01:24:40,480
people smoke and drank like fishes and

2226
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,840
oh absolutely

2227
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,360
and you know smokes like a chimney and

2228
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,120
drank like a fish that's how my dad

2229
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:47,840
always says it that's right so um so you

2230
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:49,520
know it could have been that too but

2231
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:51,679
yeah it never hurts to speculate off in

2232
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:54,480
another direction too i'm telling you

2233
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,239
um and

2234
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:58,400
the other thing is when he was talking

2235
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:01,520
if he had loose lips he was not talking

2236
01:25:05,830 --> 01:25:03,040
to people that had signed their

2237
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:05,840
disclosure agreements and

2238
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:08,000
basically had their lives threatened

2239
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,040
okay

2240
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:12,080
chester little in 1953

2241
01:25:15,510 --> 01:25:14,000
probably didn't sign anything even

2242
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,520
though he was involved with the

2243
01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:18,080
manhattan project so i mean he's had

2244
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:20,639
high security clearances of course

2245
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:21,679
but not

2246
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,600
pertaining to this he was just asking

2247
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,440
the the general

2248
01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:27,840
uh who's then a one-star general the

2249
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:29,760
general about

2250
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:32,320
was roswell what was roswell and was it

2251
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,159
ufo and

2252
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:36,719
and then it was the general that added

2253
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,560
about the bodies i don't know if chester

2254
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:40,960
little asked him about bodies

2255
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:42,880
right but he said you know it was one

2256
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,840
craft

2257
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:45,440
four bodies

2258
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,600
did he even did he say if any of them

2259
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:49,600
were alive or did is that all that

2260
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:52,000
chester got out of him that's all that's

2261
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,760
all it was in the on the internet and

2262
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:55,520
the way that manchester got out of them

2263
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:56,719
at least okay

2264
01:26:02,709 --> 01:25:59,280
best we know best we know

2265
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:02,719
wow god that's so intriguing god

2266
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:04,880
well oh is there any more to the roswell

2267
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:07,520
story that you have looked into

2268
01:26:10,950 --> 01:26:08,560
well

2269
01:26:14,070 --> 01:26:10,960
the answer is basically little

2270
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,080
not a lot i mean it's sort of like to me

2271
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:16,080
it's somewhat cut and dry

2272
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,440
i mean it was it was a crash of a craft

2273
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:21,600
one two don't know

2274
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:22,560
that

2275
01:26:27,270 --> 01:26:24,560
there were bodies

2276
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:27,280
and supposedly one was alive and well

2277
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:28,560
here's another thing oh here's another

2278
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,480
thing that's interesting in the at the

2279
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:32,320
50th anniversary you can see this on

2280
01:26:37,270 --> 01:26:35,040
youtube a colonel john haynes from the

2281
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:37,280
united states air force has a press

2282
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,000
conference oh yeah

2283
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:42,560
had a press conference and at this press

2284
01:26:44,950 --> 01:26:43,679
conference

2285
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:44,960
he

2286
01:26:54,790 --> 01:26:52,320
case is closed it's over

2287
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:54,800
we're not doing this anymore here's the

2288
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:57,280
book you want the only information here

2289
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:58,159
it is

2290
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:00,239
now then they started the the then the

2291
01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:02,639
colonel haynes starts to talk about at

2292
01:27:07,189 --> 01:27:05,600
the press conference about bodies

2293
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,199
he says well there were bodies we can

2294
01:27:11,430 --> 01:27:09,840
explain the bodies they were crash test

2295
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:11,440
dummies

2296
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:13,760
and it turns out the first crash test

2297
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:18,320
dummy was invented in 1953.

2298
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:19,440
roswell

2299
01:27:24,390 --> 01:27:22,480
the incident was in 1947.

2300
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:24,400
so these reporters there was a couple

2301
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:27,600
from cnn that were all over him i know

2302
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:30,320
it was great well we don't understand

2303
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:33,679
how can you say that it was crash test

2304
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:35,040
dummies

2305
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,159
when

2306
01:27:39,910 --> 01:27:38,880
excuse me it was six years difference in

2307
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:39,920
time

2308
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:42,320
and so the colonel said well what we got

2309
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:44,159
here is people get mixed up and it's

2310
01:27:48,310 --> 01:27:47,600
called time compression

2311
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:48,320
i

2312
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:53,120
get that answer

2313
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:55,520
fine compression and you can see that

2314
01:28:05,510 --> 01:27:57,120
interview

2315
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,910
didn't do anything for the 70th trying

2316
01:28:11,510 --> 01:28:09,920
to dispel it didn't you yeah no they

2317
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:11,520
died

2318
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:13,840
and then and then the colonel went on in

2319
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:16,239
his in his in his presentation and said

2320
01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:17,520
well the bodies could have been there

2321
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:19,760
was a crash in 1956

2322
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:22,320
where x number of airmen lost their

2323
01:28:26,470 --> 01:28:23,520
lives

2324
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,480
and then in 1959 there was another crash

2325
01:28:33,030 --> 01:28:29,360
my god we're talking about 1947.

2326
01:28:34,709 --> 01:28:33,040
not 1956 and 1959. i know i never did

2327
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,719
understand why he brought that up except

2328
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:36,960
for to make people think that well

2329
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:39,360
the crash test you know we had something

2330
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,040
going on back then we weren't telling

2331
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:43,280
you about you know or something to that

2332
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:46,320
effect and i thought it was such a lame

2333
01:28:51,270 --> 01:28:48,400
lame oh interview it was just

2334
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:51,280
unbelievable and yeah what can you do

2335
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:53,199
anyhow we got lots of questions for well

2336
01:28:57,990 --> 01:28:55,440
not laws we got some now i want anybody

2337
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:58,000
left over in chat you guys ask ask your

2338
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:00,320
questions of jim he can answer just

2339
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:01,760
about anything because he is a

2340
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:03,679
generalist so

2341
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:05,679
we can get him on a few things so the

2342
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:08,400
first question out of the gate is a

2343
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,800
question from max and he wants to know

2344
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:12,880
the closer we get to disclosure

2345
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,920
government or not which is a matter of

2346
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:17,280
perception

2347
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:20,159
will disclosure make mufon less or more

2348
01:29:25,750 --> 01:29:22,639
relevant

2349
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:25,760
uh when he says mufon i think

2350
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:28,480
mufon is a good point to take as less or

2351
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:30,800
more relevant but also i think let's

2352
01:29:35,030 --> 01:29:33,040
expand that to include all the

2353
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,040
researchers all the contactees all the

2354
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:37,600
people on the ufo circuit i call it how

2355
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:39,679
about all those people what do you think

2356
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:41,360
will happen if the government or

2357
01:29:45,430 --> 01:29:43,920
somebody else discloses

2358
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:45,440
to those people

2359
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:48,000
well here's the deal first of all

2360
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:49,760
disclosure's not going to happen the way

2361
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:51,440
we would love it to happen it's just not

2362
01:30:01,070 --> 01:29:58,629
that without a permanent threat to

2363
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:01,080
national security america's

2364
01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:03,760
multi-billion dollar war machine

2365
01:30:07,110 --> 01:30:06,159
is without a purpose i mean that's one

2366
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:07,120
thing

2367
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:08,639
i mean

2368
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:11,520
the reality is

2369
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:14,560
we won't have disclosure until something

2370
01:30:18,950 --> 01:30:16,639
happens and that's

2371
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:18,960
the way i work i work my priority number

2372
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,600
one is humanity and i'd like to ease the

2373
01:30:25,669 --> 01:30:23,520
landing make the landing as soft as

2374
01:30:27,590 --> 01:30:25,679
possible for when that

2375
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:27,600
event happens that event won't happen

2376
01:30:31,669 --> 01:30:29,920
through the government it will be

2377
01:30:33,350 --> 01:30:31,679
something else i'm not saying it's going

2378
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:33,360
to be false flag

2379
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:34,880
who knows what it's going to be it's

2380
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:35,920
going to be

2381
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,920
that something's going to happen that's

2382
01:30:41,910 --> 01:30:39,199
going to

2383
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:41,920
shock everybody for instance in the

2384
01:30:48,070 --> 01:30:44,560
movie intruders i know you've heard this

2385
01:30:50,470 --> 01:30:48,080
before lorien but a lot of people yes so

2386
01:30:52,629 --> 01:30:50,480
in the movie intruders that was uh put

2387
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:52,639
together by dr john mack

2388
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:55,440
uh dead bud hopkins dead

2389
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:58,239
uh tracy tormey alive living in los

2390
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:00,960
angeles i'm doing a little work with him

2391
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:02,480
and james fox

2392
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:04,400
um but anyway in the film called

2393
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:06,800
intruders which by the way you can see

2394
01:31:11,189 --> 01:31:08,719
on youtube

2395
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:11,199
we love youtube for free we love you i

2396
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:12,480
mean there's a lot of

2397
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:14,639
a lot of poopy on there but there's also

2398
01:31:20,470 --> 01:31:17,840
a lot of good stuff that film intruders

2399
01:31:22,629 --> 01:31:20,480
is a long film because it was in parts

2400
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:22,639
it was in uh um

2401
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:25,600
six parts i think you're right and yeah

2402
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:26,800
for tv

2403
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:28,880
yeah and so what you see on youtube is

2404
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:30,800
like three hours because they put it all

2405
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:32,800
together yeah but in

2406
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:34,560
in uh so anyway the film was made in

2407
01:31:37,030 --> 01:31:36,080
1992

2408
01:31:38,790 --> 01:31:37,040
and

2409
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:38,800
the scene in this part where i'm going

2410
01:31:42,950 --> 01:31:41,199
to talk about is richard crenna is

2411
01:31:46,790 --> 01:31:42,960
playing dr mack

2412
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:46,800
and he's at a general retired general's

2413
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:50,000
house beautiful tudor mansion

2414
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:52,239
and it's raining out and they're inside

2415
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:54,719
the house and they're having a little

2416
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:56,080
something to drink

2417
01:32:01,830 --> 01:32:00,320
and the general is trying to get dr mack

2418
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:01,840
to

2419
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:03,840
join the group

2420
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:05,280
the cabal

2421
01:32:07,910 --> 01:32:06,880
you know get him to join be a team

2422
01:32:11,110 --> 01:32:07,920
player

2423
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:11,120
i love the summer there's so much to do

2424
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:13,120
driving my new volkswagen jetta to the

2425
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:15,679
lake driving it to the beach driving it

2426
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:18,320
home after a weekend at the beach see i

2427
01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:19,760
got a great deal from my local

2428
01:32:23,830 --> 01:32:21,760
volkswagen dealer and with available

2429
01:32:25,590 --> 01:32:23,840
features like adaptive cruise control

2430
01:32:28,629 --> 01:32:25,600
blind spot monitor and rear traffic

2431
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:28,639
alert this jetta is all about confidence

2432
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:29,679
i think i'll drive it up to the

2433
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:31,600
mountains this weekend i might even go

2434
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:34,080
hiking if i have time test drive the

2435
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:35,760
volkswagen jetta this summer at your

2436
01:32:45,590 --> 01:32:41,350
and so

2437
01:32:47,830 --> 01:32:45,600
richard crenna

2438
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:47,840
is saying

2439
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:49,679
but that we will disclose this to the

2440
01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:51,120
public correct

2441
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:53,760
and he said the general says

2442
01:32:58,149 --> 01:32:54,480
no

2443
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:58,159
disclosing it to the public

2444
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:00,719
um and he says what do you expect should

2445
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:02,400
the president of the united states go

2446
01:33:06,790 --> 01:33:05,360
and this is what he's saying to mack uh

2447
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:06,800
should the president united states go on

2448
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:09,360
national television and say here we go

2449
01:33:11,910 --> 01:33:10,239
now

2450
01:33:13,750 --> 01:33:11,920
strap in folks

2451
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:13,760
can you handle the truth i'm not saying

2452
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:16,000
this is the truth but it's probably

2453
01:33:20,390 --> 01:33:18,800
pretty close to the truth anyway my

2454
01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:20,400
fellow americans

2455
01:33:24,870 --> 01:33:23,520
we have evidence of a superior race

2456
01:33:27,110 --> 01:33:24,880
or races

2457
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:27,120
who have visited our planet

2458
01:33:31,510 --> 01:33:29,760
they come from god knows where

2459
01:33:33,830 --> 01:33:31,520
maybe outer space

2460
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:33,840
or from some other dimension of

2461
01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:35,440
existence

2462
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:37,280
they are abducting our citizens on a

2463
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:39,040
regular basis

2464
01:33:44,629 --> 01:33:42,000
they are conducting experiments on them

2465
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:44,639
collecting specimens of our ova

2466
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:46,159
our sperm

2467
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:48,480
they've been impregnating women and then

2468
01:33:54,470 --> 01:33:50,960
later invading those women's bodies

2469
01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:54,480
again and stealing the unborn fetuses

2470
01:33:59,110 --> 01:33:57,120
for reasons we can only

2471
01:34:02,229 --> 01:33:59,120
imagine

2472
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:02,239
god and this is why art bill always said

2473
01:34:06,870 --> 01:34:04,880
to everybody hey i'm kind of now turning

2474
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:06,880
into that guy who says i don't want to

2475
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:09,120
know you know i don't want the world to

2476
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:11,040
know it could be ugly

2477
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:14,159
i know i know so that that so my feeling

2478
01:34:16,870 --> 01:34:14,880
is

2479
01:34:18,870 --> 01:34:16,880
that's kind of like

2480
01:34:20,550 --> 01:34:18,880
we'll not get the disclosure and i know

2481
01:34:22,790 --> 01:34:20,560
whether it's steve bassett or a lot of

2482
01:34:24,390 --> 01:34:22,800
other people are working really hard and

2483
01:34:26,629 --> 01:34:24,400
i can give him nothing but credit and

2484
01:34:29,510 --> 01:34:26,639
support but yeah yeah i'm just going to

2485
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:29,520
throw one last comment in on this if i'm

2486
01:34:32,950 --> 01:34:30,880
out of work

2487
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:32,960
you know out of my mufon work out of my

2488
01:34:38,229 --> 01:34:35,679
ufo work if all this ends tomorrow

2489
01:34:40,790 --> 01:34:38,239
because of disclosure and no one comes

2490
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:40,800
to me for answers about anything that's

2491
01:34:46,629 --> 01:34:43,360
fine with me i have no problem with it i

2492
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:46,639
am not you know i'm not an 18 on the ufo

2493
01:34:51,189 --> 01:34:48,400
scene and all those people will

2494
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:51,199
obviously be the go-to's like greer and

2495
01:34:56,229 --> 01:34:53,520
wilcock and you know oh god don't get me

2496
01:34:57,910 --> 01:34:56,239
started on you know that group of people

2497
01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:57,920
but um

2498
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:59,600
you know that's great you know whatever

2499
01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:01,600
floats their boat hopefully at that time

2500
01:35:04,470 --> 01:35:03,040
i can go back to being an artist and i

2501
01:35:07,590 --> 01:35:04,480
don't even have to talk about it ever

2502
01:35:09,590 --> 01:35:07,600
again you know right right or you and i

2503
01:35:11,669 --> 01:35:09,600
can you can smoke your cigars and i'll

2504
01:35:15,110 --> 01:35:11,679
throw pots and we'll sell them at the

2505
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:15,120
sonoma community center how's that sound

2506
01:35:19,590 --> 01:35:17,920
sounds like a possible a possible plan

2507
01:35:20,950 --> 01:35:19,600
but anyway

2508
01:35:23,350 --> 01:35:20,960
so i was just thinking i know we're

2509
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:23,360
getting short on time but yeah well

2510
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:25,360
before you know we've got more questions

2511
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:27,280
for you so let's go some more questions

2512
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:30,400
okay durham wants to know uh please ask

2513
01:35:33,750 --> 01:35:31,920
jim if he's familiar with the nick

2514
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:33,760
redfern's new book

2515
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:37,520
the roswell ufo conspiracy exposing a

2516
01:35:42,149 --> 01:35:40,560
shocking and sinister secret and if you

2517
01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:42,159
are familiar with it what is your

2518
01:35:47,189 --> 01:35:44,639
assessment of the book

2519
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:47,199
if that is uh

2520
01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:49,679
if that's about they were putting

2521
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:52,480
russians the prisoners of war

2522
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:55,199
in craft as some kind of experiment if i

2523
01:35:59,350 --> 01:35:57,760
if that's it i think i read a book when

2524
01:36:01,590 --> 01:35:59,360
you say latest book was it something

2525
01:36:03,270 --> 01:36:01,600
like from a week ago or something from

2526
01:36:05,270 --> 01:36:03,280
four or five years ago i don't know but

2527
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:05,280
it was four or five years ago

2528
01:36:08,470 --> 01:36:07,440
nick redfearn's book that he was talking

2529
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:08,480
about

2530
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:11,760
that they had prisoners of war

2531
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:15,679
or russian people or something in craft

2532
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:18,080
and and i may be wrong i may be totally

2533
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:19,040
wrong

2534
01:36:22,709 --> 01:36:20,480
if that's what it is

2535
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:22,719
yeah and so what's your take on do you

2536
01:36:26,070 --> 01:36:24,400
think that might have been

2537
01:36:27,669 --> 01:36:26,080
you know nick's got an idea that this

2538
01:36:28,709 --> 01:36:27,679
could be real or what

2539
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:28,719
no

2540
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:34,800
yet as soon as i read it i'll pass it on

2541
01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:36,320
to you and then we'll both be in the

2542
01:36:39,910 --> 01:36:37,679
know okay

2543
01:36:43,030 --> 01:36:39,920
okay here's uh one more question from

2544
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:43,040
durham um he also wants to know please

2545
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:47,280
ask jim his view of bob lazar

2546
01:36:53,750 --> 01:36:50,320
i think bob's the real deal yep

2547
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:53,760
i agree and you know what did it for me

2548
01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:55,760
jim did i ever tell you this

2549
01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:58,320
i got very much involved as you know in

2550
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:00,159
the super soldier and mind control

2551
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:02,480
community when i got into the the ufo

2552
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:04,320
scene suddenly i was smacked upside the

2553
01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:06,400
head with that as well in the my labs

2554
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,679
and all that

2555
01:37:12,070 --> 01:37:09,280
and um

2556
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:12,080
several people i knew that came forward

2557
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:13,920
to me that nobody knows about i don't

2558
01:37:16,629 --> 01:37:15,679
even talk about these people

2559
01:37:18,070 --> 01:37:16,639
um

2560
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:18,080
because they've asked me never to bring

2561
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:20,000
their names up or even tell anybody they

2562
01:37:23,910 --> 01:37:21,920
know me

2563
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:23,920
told me stories about

2564
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:25,920
working for the government

2565
01:37:31,510 --> 01:37:28,400
being on military bases

2566
01:37:33,750 --> 01:37:31,520
and going home after work and not

2567
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:33,760
remembering a dang thing that happened

2568
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:35,920
at the office that day they remember

2569
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:38,320
getting there they remember sitting down

2570
01:37:44,709 --> 01:37:40,080
at their desk and the next thing they

2571
01:37:49,750 --> 01:37:47,590
so when bob lazar said and this is what

2572
01:37:51,270 --> 01:37:49,760
did it for me it's like i i kind of was

2573
01:37:54,550 --> 01:37:51,280
on the fence about him for all these

2574
01:37:56,149 --> 01:37:54,560
years but back in 2011 when these people

2575
01:37:58,709 --> 01:37:56,159
came to me and started coming out of the

2576
01:38:01,189 --> 01:37:58,719
woodwork and they told me their story i

2577
01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:01,199
went oh my god that's exactly what bob

2578
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:03,840
lazar said and the minute uh i heard

2579
01:38:08,070 --> 01:38:05,840
that i went okay he said he's the real

2580
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:08,080
deal because that's a dead giveaway

2581
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:10,080
remember he said i used to get on the

2582
01:38:14,229 --> 01:38:11,360
jane plane

2583
01:38:17,750 --> 01:38:14,239
and they'd play uh going going to

2584
01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:17,760
america by well that's neil diamond neil

2585
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:20,239
diamond's go yeah coming to america

2586
01:38:24,070 --> 01:38:21,920
right right you're right i remember him

2587
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:24,080
saying that yes yeah by the time he got

2588
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:25,840
off the plane he couldn't remember what

2589
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:28,480
he'd done at work that day right

2590
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:30,719
so i'm like thinking geez you know this

2591
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:32,960
is severe mind control they've got a

2592
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:35,360
frequency built into the song that wipes

2593
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:37,360
all their minds up or just gets them to

2594
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:39,119
the point where they're sleepy and

2595
01:38:43,350 --> 01:38:41,360
forget you know whatever it is they're

2596
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:43,360
doing to them and

2597
01:38:48,070 --> 01:38:45,600
he's got to be the real deal because how

2598
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,080
many that was like such a telltale sign

2599
01:38:52,390 --> 01:38:50,159
for me i just kind of like oh my god

2600
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:52,400
definitely real anyhow so you go ahead

2601
01:38:57,109 --> 01:38:54,960
is bob lazar real to you yes and do you

2602
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:57,119
have a reason why

2603
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:58,639
uh

2604
01:39:03,990 --> 01:39:00,400
other than the fact that i've met him in

2605
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:04,000
person i've heard him speak

2606
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:04,410
um

2607
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,920
[Music]

2608
01:39:09,910 --> 01:39:07,920
and it's it's it's just too good it's

2609
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:09,920
too good it's not too good a story not

2610
01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:13,679
to be real but it's too good a story not

2611
01:39:16,870 --> 01:39:15,520
to be real i mean it's just really

2612
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:16,880
really good

2613
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:19,199
and uh

2614
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:22,159
he's the real deal he's the real deal

2615
01:39:26,550 --> 01:39:24,719
he's not making i mean they discredited

2616
01:39:29,189 --> 01:39:26,560
them they wiped them off the map so to

2617
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:29,199
speak and you know our our favorite guy

2618
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:31,280
stanton freeman is the instigator of

2619
01:39:35,910 --> 01:39:34,239
that you know really oh yeah stanton

2620
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:35,920
can't stand him he's the one that's it

2621
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:38,480
spread the rumor that he's a fake and

2622
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:40,480
oh yeah yeah stanton and him are at war

2623
01:39:44,229 --> 01:39:42,400
they've been at war since the stanton

2624
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:44,239
came out and said no way has this guy

2625
01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:46,320
ever done anything he said he did

2626
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:48,800
and stanton will not get off that horse

2627
01:39:52,229 --> 01:39:50,880
he won't get off of it no matter he's a

2628
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:52,239
stubborn guy

2629
01:39:56,550 --> 01:39:54,719
yeah he is and i've sat with him as you

2630
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:56,560
know my table was right next to him two

2631
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:58,560
years ago it contacted the desert and i

2632
01:40:02,709 --> 01:40:00,480
had to talk to him

2633
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:02,719
and guess what we talked about

2634
01:40:07,830 --> 01:40:05,119
i can understand if he wouldn't talk to

2635
01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:07,840
me after that after the

2636
01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:10,080
that the rest of the day

2637
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:12,000
he turned his kind of his back on me and

2638
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:13,840
was sitting looking the other direction

2639
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:15,840
and he refused to talk to me the rest of

2640
01:40:20,390 --> 01:40:17,840
the day but he was nice to me after that

2641
01:40:22,629 --> 01:40:20,400
but i mean seriously he does not believe

2642
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:22,639
that bob lazar is the real deal so

2643
01:40:27,350 --> 01:40:24,800
anyhow we'll leave it at that and let's

2644
01:40:30,629 --> 01:40:27,360
go on to the last question um max wants

2645
01:40:33,990 --> 01:40:30,639
to know he says he's just looking at the

2646
01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:34,000
technological advancements from 1947 to

2647
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:38,239
now compared to the 5 000 years before

2648
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:41,760
is disclosure within itself and who is

2649
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:44,639
to say the craft and or material was not

2650
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:46,480
this of this earth

2651
01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:48,320
couldn't it just be they were coming

2652
01:40:52,629 --> 01:40:50,320
home okay so i'm kind of getting what

2653
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:52,639
he's asking he wants to know if you feel

2654
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:55,280
that um these guys are coming back to

2655
01:40:59,830 --> 01:40:58,239
the place they originated from

2656
01:41:02,790 --> 01:40:59,840
and that

2657
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:02,800
the technology that we got off of that

2658
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:06,719
craft in 1947 was the reason we are as

2659
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:09,280
technologically advanced as we are 70

2660
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:10,639
years later

2661
01:41:16,149 --> 01:41:13,280
well of course the answer is probably

2662
01:41:19,109 --> 01:41:16,159
yes because i mean whether you

2663
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:19,119
dig or do not dig colonel corso's book

2664
01:41:23,669 --> 01:41:20,880
day after roswell

2665
01:41:24,629 --> 01:41:23,679
um i mean he supposedly was the one that

2666
01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:24,639
helped

2667
01:41:28,950 --> 01:41:27,840
disseminate that information out to

2668
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:28,960
um

2669
01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:31,840
in the private industry bell general

2670
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,239
electric etc and so forth the answer is

2671
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:36,480
probably yes yes

2672
01:41:40,470 --> 01:41:38,560
yeah i would think so yeah and what

2673
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,480
about colonel corso i mean he swears

2674
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:42,320
that it was because of that craft and

2675
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:47,040
crash that they got velcro and uh uh

2676
01:41:50,870 --> 01:41:49,440
chips you know computer nano chips or

2677
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,880
well at the time

2678
01:41:55,109 --> 01:41:53,119
didn't we having 47 like rooms of

2679
01:41:56,470 --> 01:41:55,119
computers if i remember correctly i

2680
01:41:59,030 --> 01:41:56,480
don't know if we even had them then but

2681
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:59,040
yeah we did we did they just weren't

2682
01:42:03,669 --> 01:42:00,800
what we consider

2683
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:03,679
computers nowadays we did not have the

2684
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:06,080
um we had resistors

2685
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:08,000
and we had uh what are the other ones

2686
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:09,360
they start with a c i can't remember the

2687
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:11,280
word um

2688
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:14,000
not condensers um anyhow we had little

2689
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:15,360
these little things that looked like

2690
01:42:19,750 --> 01:42:17,840
little batteries on wires

2691
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:19,760
in all the computers back then i don't

2692
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:21,119
know if everybody knows i'm talking

2693
01:42:26,310 --> 01:42:23,920
about but uh they certainly weren't as

2694
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:26,320
small we did not have microchips we did

2695
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:29,199
not have the chip back then a silicon

2696
01:42:34,229 --> 01:42:31,760
chip the silicon ship came after the

2697
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,239
roswell crash so

2698
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:36,400
yeah it's very interesting

2699
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,320
anyhow okay you're not gonna believe

2700
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:40,159
this jim it's the end of the show we've

2701
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:41,679
had such a great time and thank you for

2702
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:44,080
spilling the beans literally about the

2703
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,639
chemtrails here i think you're you're

2704
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:48,880
appreciating your beans my beets i'm

2705
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:50,800
gonna pass those beans on up the food

2706
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:53,760
chain as you if you get my draft

2707
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,520
i don't want to hold the beans i want to

2708
01:43:00,629 --> 01:42:57,520
give them to somebody else yeah they're

2709
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:02,550
everybody get out there tomorrow morning

2710
01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:04,000
and look up

2711
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:06,159
yes yeah i'm going to i'm going to ask

2712
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:07,760
everybody and this weekend we're going

2713
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:09,760
to be up in canoctide doing a big sky

2714
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:12,000
watch and oh i got to talk to you after

2715
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:13,679
the show anyhow we're going up there

2716
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:15,280
with the big sky watch we'll definitely

2717
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:17,040
be looking for him and we'll you know

2718
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:18,639
we're calling the crafts and we're just

2719
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:19,920
going to have a great old time so it'll

2720
01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:22,560
be really cool anyhow so uh give your

2721
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:25,040
websites one more time please i will do

2722
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:32,149
ufo gym s-o-n-o-m-a